The false gospel of grace

[hobie]

....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

Romans 6:1-14

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Albion]

....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

Help us out here. What church(es) or groups of people specifically are you referring to as preaching and believing that Satanic gospel? I don't think I have ever met any, although I read threads denouncing "them" rather often.

 

[Lamb]

I agree with Albion and would like to know which churches teach that we should go out and sin?

 

[Michael]

....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.
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Yes, sadly "another gospel" of grace that trumps all of God's commands is widely taught and accepted in many churches today.

It is rather long, but this video exposes some of these "hyper grace" teachers who truthfully are leading many down the "wide path."

https://youtu.be/XgnBQ60FeGo

 

[Andrew]

Yes, sadly "another gospel" of grace that trumps all of God's commands is widely taught and accepted in many churches today.

It is rather long, but this video exposes some of these "hyper grace" teachers who truthfully are leading many down the "wide path."

https://youtu.be/XgnBQ60FeGo

Three hours!!!!!!!

I actually seen it before I think, the intro sounds familiar

 

[NewCreation435]

....to keep you under the bondage of sin. The false gospel of grace is one that has been cleverly devised for these last days which is almost impossible to differentiate from the true gospel. This is because the false gospel of grace uses exactly the same vocabulary that the true gospel uses with some serious spin doctoring.

Satan has basically invented a false gospel of grace that is every sinner's dream come true. Of course we are all sinners, but evil comes and using this false gospel of grace, tells Christians they are free to sin and delve into iniquity to the point there are now two classes of sinners these days which are 180 degrees apart when it comes to being under the dominion of sin in Satans lair. One class of sinners likes it that way, and the others want out from sin and its dominion.

The devil has designed this false gospel of grace for the first group. The false gospel tells sinners that they are in good and regular standing in their sin, which is what some have always wanted to hear, that Jesus saves us while we keep on sinning and continue happily in its bondage.

The true gospel is the news for every sinner who is fed up with sin and its bondage, and longing to be set free from its penalty and power and that gospel is sin shall not have dominion over us. When we accept Christ we do it with the understanding of what sin has done to us, its true price and the comprehension of its ultimate result of eternal death. We dont want its corruption to ourselves and its destructive influence over us, so we come to Christ who cleanses us from its wages and its dominion. That is the true gospel, to be alive in Christ not dead in sin, to be set free by Him from sins wages and so that sin is no longer our master, destroying and corrupting us with its evil.....

Scripture is clear on what the true gospel is, not a license to sin but a way to become free from sin and iniquity..

Romans 6:1-14

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

There is only one true gospel. Paul told us that other imitators would come and they have since his day. The gospel has been attacked in all sorts of ways. You see it as early as the letter to Galatia and Colossae where the Jews were trying to add to the gospel.

 

[Lamb]

There is only one true gospel. Paul told us that other imitators would come and they have since his day. The gospel has been attacked in all sorts of ways. You see it as early as the letter to Galatia and Colossae where the Jews were trying to add to the gospel.

Very true! The one true Gospel is about God's great love and mercy...For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[hobie]

I agree with Albion and would like to know which churches teach that we should go out and sin?

What churches follow the Ten Commandments? Gods law exists as long as He does.

1 John 3:4 King James Version (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Luke 18:18-20 King James Version (KJV)

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

 

[Lamb]

What churches follow the Ten Commandments? Gods law exists as long as He does.

1 John 3:4 King James Version (KJV)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Luke 18:18-20 King James Version (KJV)

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

What churches don't believe that we should obey God's Law?

The problem comes in when people believe that they can fulfill the Law when Jesus did that for us. Salvation by grace and not by works, remember?

 

[hobie]

What churches don't believe that we should obey God's Law?

The problem comes in when people believe that they can fulfill the Law when Jesus did that for us. Salvation by grace and not by works, remember?

So do we continue with idols and graven images in the church, do we ignore the day that God made holy and says to "Remember", and how can a church leader have people bow to him and even 'kiss the ring' which is basically paying homage, and what of the most basic of sins, coveting what the neighbor has. Most people are too afraid to get caught to go and steal it, but they want what they see next door, and look to see if they can get it. It is at the heart of our way of life, the idea of "he who has the most toys wins", we see it and we want it, and it has gotten into the church by way of the "prosperity gospel" ...

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

So do we continue with idols and graven images in the church, do we ignore the day that God made holy and says to "Remember", and how can a church leader have people bow to him and even 'kiss the ring' which is basically paying homage, and what of the most basic of sins, coveting what the neighbor has. Most people are too afraid to get caught to go and steal it, but they want what they see next door, and look to see if they can get it. It is at the heart of our way of life, the idea of "he who has the most toys wins", we see it and we want it, and it has gotten into the church by way of the "prosperity gospel" ...

Hobbies, why won't you answer the questions you're being asked? Maybe because you don't know of any specific church that actually teaches or does what you claim in your posts, so it looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[hobie]

Hobbies, why won't you answer the questions you're being asked? Maybe because you don't know of any specific church that actually teaches or does what you claim in your posts, so it looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

Because when you do, then they say you are denigrating a church or saying they are not Christian, etc...

 

[Andrew]

but Jesus followed all of the commandments perfectly and was killed for it, how can you live in a system that if you disobey a commandment the whole congregation stones you to death and if you obey every commandment the congregation finds an indirect manner to have you killed anyway?
Do you not see how that the Jews have rendered the Law of God to no effect?
Is that the world you want to live in? Where righteousness deserves death?
Now before you start thinking that I am suggested we don't need God to tell us what to do.. have you ever broken a commandment? and why should you care if you did or didn't, assuming you are not Jewish.
Grace allows us trial and error unto repentance by faith that what Jesus spoke is truth and nothing less, he made the Law effective within us by renewing our hearts that we may witness and testify to the Father that although we strive to glory yet fail from time to time that we are counted Worthy of forgiveness because we have conviction and Hope in Gods promise!
Now what you can really do as a child in Christ is to forgive your brothers and sisters and share testimony and scripture so that they may receive the same blessing of faith, this pertains to your neighbors, if you happen to have a discussion with one of these "people" of the church you are describing I'm sure you will say the things that God wants them to hear. As far as telecommunication I would advise caution because that you not be impersonal nor impatient with them, the Apostle Paul was stirred up on Mars Hill and declared that they were all too superstitious! As you can see the people weren't so happy with that even if though it was true.. point is that you better practise what you preach and expect the expected, it's not that easy to walk into a church and rebuke it, the best thing is to know exactly who and what you are addressing... so about this church that has free reign over the two commandments that fullfil all Law -"Love God and Love they neighbor"?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Because when you do, then they say you are denigrating a church or saying they are not Christian, etc...

Anyone who says you're denigrating a church body is shifting the conversation away from the problems of the Prosperity Gospel because they know they can't defend it. Someone who teaches or believes the Prosperity Gospel are deceived, but that in and of itself does not make someone not saved.

 

[Lamb]

So do we continue with idols and graven images in the church, do we ignore the day that God made holy and says to "Remember", and how can a church leader have people bow to him and even 'kiss the ring' which is basically paying homage, and what of the most basic of sins, coveting what the neighbor has. Most people are too afraid to get caught to go and steal it, but they want what they see next door, and look to see if they can get it. It is at the heart of our way of life, the idea of "he who has the most toys wins", we see it and we want it, and it has gotten into the church by way of the "prosperity gospel" ...

You didn't answer my question. Please provide the churches/denominations that you claim go out and teach we must sin.

 

[Lamb]

Because when you do, then they say you are denigrating a church or saying they are not Christian, etc...

Well, Catholics are considered to be Christians because they say that Jesus is their Savior. Yes, they have their faults like all denominations do but they don't reject our Triune God.

 

[hobie]

Well, Catholics are considered to be Christians because they say that Jesus is their Savior. Yes, they have their faults like all denominations do but they don't reject our Triune God.

So no matter what they do that is against the scripture, its ok because of one point? So the inquisition and burning at the stake and all their persecution was fine because they believed in the trinity? Now in case anyone says it really wasnt the church, look at Canon 3 of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council, 1215 required secular authorities to "exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics" pointed out by the Catholic Church. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/lateran4.asp

As for teaching that grace allows them to sin, check the sermons being taught on grace...

"But this past week I was talking to someone about grace, and they objected with the grace litmus test, and I don’t know what happened, but I sighed out of exasperation and decided to give a different answer than the one I had always given before.

The man said to me, “So are you saying I can just go sin all I want?”

And I smiled and said, “Yep. If that’s what you want to do, go right ahead.”

I got the “Deer in the headlights” look back from him. I think he had heard rumors that my type of theology existed, but he had never met anyone who was so willing to give him a license to sin as I had just done.

So yes, in a way, grace is a license to sin" https://redeeminggod.com/grace-is-free-you-can-sin-all-you-want/

 

[hobie]

Now lets look at what these 'heretics' were against..."rejected many of the superstitious traditions of Catholicism, including prayers for the dead and holy water, and they spoke against indulgences and the doctrine of purgatory. Communion, they said, was a memorial of Christ’s death, not a sacrifice. They did not follow the church’s calendar concerning days of fasting, and they refused to bow before altars, venerate saints, or treat “holy” bread as holy. " https://www.gotquestions.org/Waldensians.html

"Because of their devotion to Scripture, many of the Waldensian religious practices and views aligned with those of the 16th-century Protestant reformers. They rejected the notion of purgatory, transubstantiation, and some of the Catholic sacraments. They refused to worship saints or pray for the dead."https://www.learnreligions.com/waldensians-history-beliefs-4588324

It sounds as if they were pointing out the pagan traditions and festivals allowed to subtly creep into the church. There seems to be a pattern here, to excommunicate, brand as heretic, codify penalties on them into secular laws, burn at the stake, or worse...

I can understand how Martin Luther and the Reformers after studying the scriptures were very brave to try to point out the very same issues...