The Creator's Remorse: A Mystery

[Odë:hgöd]

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• Gen 6:5 . . And the Lord saw that the evil of man was great in the earth, and
every imagination of his heart was only evil all the time.

Man's descent into depravity didn't catch his creator by surprise. After all; not only
can God see the future but He can also manipulate it; so He was well aware even
before beginning that the people He was about to create were destined from day
one for a global deluge.

Also, when God inspected His handiwork at Gen 1:31, He evaluated it not just
good, but "very" good. So as far as He was concerned; everything went smoothly
and according to plan-- nothing was broken, no parts were missing, and nothing
failed to mate with its matching part.

• Gen 6:6 . . And the Lord regretted that He had made man upon the earth, and He
became grieved in His heart.

When God created the people of man, it was no doubt with the awareness that the
day would come when He would have to put a number of them down like dogs gone
mad with rabies.

If it can be safely assumed that God saw man's depravity coming well in advance--
prior to creating even one of the many forces, energies, and particles that would go
into the construction of the cosmos --then we have to wonder why it is that He felt
remorse for going ahead as planned. Surely it wasn't because He made a terrible
mistake. I seriously doubt that a master architect with the creator's intelligence
would fail to foresee every possible ramification of their actions.

Well; it's at least comforting to know the destruction of life is not something God
enjoys as if He were an outdoor guy who kills fish and wildlife for sport with no
more sensitivity than a kid blasting aliens in a video game. Man's creator knew the
day was coming when He would have to do what He was about to do next, and
clearly wasn't looking forward to it, but nevertheless; leaves us with unavoidable
questions about His sanity because from a rational perspective, God's procedures
make no sense at all.

Anyway, aside from all that; it appears to me that God had high expectations for
the people of man, and was very disappointed that numbers of them went bad; sort
of like how parents feel when a kid, whom they've given every privilege, every
opportunity, and every advantage imaginable, lets it all go overboard and somehow
ends up incorrigible and a total failure instead.

• Gen 6:7 . . And the Lord said: I will blot out man, whom I created, from upon the
face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping thing, to the fowl of the heavens,
for I regret that I made them.
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[Lamb]

God allowed man to fall so He could do the utmost gracious thing...provide us a Savior.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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God allowed man to fall so He could do the utmost gracious thing...provide us a
Savior.

The creator knew in advance that if He went ahead as planned, the end result
would be the termination of untold numbers of terrified people in a Flood; along
with even more in the lake of brimstone depicted in Rev 20:10-15.

Were I a purely logical person, I would have to conclude that the Judeo/Christian
God is fiendish. I mean think about it: why would a sensible designer proceed to
bring into existence, without their consent, human lives whom he knew in advance
that some day he would be destroying most of them.

Bringing thousands, even multiplied millions, of people into existence so they could
lose their lives in order to achieve one's own personal ambition isn't Christian,
rather, it's Machiavellian.

• Phil 2:4 . . Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the
interests of others.

Seeing as how Christ expressly forbids selfish ambition amongst his own; therefore,
before proceeding with your ideas, be very sure to ponder all the possible
ramifications of your actions first.

Stepping on people's toes, and/or thwarting their ideas so that yours prevail, fails
to satisfy the law of Christ; which requires believers to love their fellow believers as
Christ loves them (John 15:12). It also fails to satisfy the Golden Rule which says:
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you. (Matt 7:12).
Always looking out for No.1 just simply isn't very nice.

NOTE: It isn't uncommon for folk to liken the creator to a sort of celestial cattle
rancher who raises hundreds of head of livestock hoping they'll produce a few "blue
ribbon" animals for him to keep for breeding purposes whereas the second-rate cows
are shipped off to the slaughter houses.
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[Romanos]

Based on the contents of this thread, I am moving this to World Religion & Speculative Theology.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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The topic of this thread is disturbing for Christians because it forces them to face the
rather unpleasant reality that their so-called God of love knew in advance before
creating the cosmos that His project would lead to immeasurable suffering and death in
the animal kingdom and also the world of humanity. In other words: if God could be
sued for product liability; for sure somebody would've done it by now.

• Rev 4:11 . . O Lord our God . . you created everything, and it is for your pleasure that
they exist and were created.

In other words: God created everything to suit Himself; so it's not too difficult to
understand why it is that some folk regard God as a tyrannical bully who puts people in
awful jeopardy without first consulting with them as to how they might feel about it.

FAQ: Why wasn't humanity given some say about God's intentions? Weren't' we
created with free will?

A: God's free will trumps everybody else's free will.

• Rev 6:10 . . They called out in a loud voice: How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?

The Greek word translated "sovereign lord" is despótees; which means an absolute
ruler. i.e. a despot.

We're dealing with a supernatural entity who's adequately demonstrated that He's fully
capable of walking over people's bones to get what He wants; and not even atom
bombs can impede His progress.

• Isa 45:12 . . I am the one who made the earth and created people to live on it. With my
hands I stretched out the heavens. All the millions of stars are at my command.

I have to say that anyone with enough power at their disposal to invent and control all
the laws of nature and physics, is someone to worry about.

For example: Jesus, by means of the power of God, could restore blindness. Well
anybody who can restore blindness can just as easily cause it. Jesus also healed
paralysis. Well if he can heal paralysis then he can just as easily cause that too. And he
restored dead bodies to life; which means he could just as easily put people down. He
also healed withered limbs. Same thing. If he can heal a withered limb, then he can just
as easily do it in reverse; and also speech.

That kind of power is terrifying, especially when it's in the hands of a despot; and were it
to be wielded against God's enemies they would have no possible hope of defending
themselves because when people's muscles are atrophied, and they are blind,
paralyzed, mute, and quite possibly dead; they're totally helpless and in no condition to
do much of anything except complain; if that.
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[pinacled]

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The topic of this thread is disturbing for Christians because it forces them to face the
rather unpleasant reality that their so-called God of love knew in advance before
creating the cosmos that His project would lead to immeasurable suffering and death in
the animal kingdom and also the world of humanity. In other words: if God could be
sued for product liability; for sure somebody would've done it by now.

• Rev 4:11 . . O Lord our God . . you created everything, and it is for your pleasure that
they exist and were created.

In other words: God created everything to suit Himself; so it's not too difficult to
understand why it is that some folk regard God as a tyrannical bully who puts people in
awful jeopardy without first consulting with them as to how they might feel about it.

FAQ: Why wasn't humanity given some say about God's intentions? Weren't' we
created with free will?

A: God's free will trumps everybody else's free will.

• Rev 6:10 . . They called out in a loud voice: How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true,
until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?

The Greek word translated "sovereign lord" is despótees; which means an absolute
ruler. i.e. a despot.

We're dealing with a supernatural entity who's adequately demonstrated that He's fully
capable of walking over people's bones to get what He wants; and not even atom
bombs can impede His progress.

• Isa 45:12 . . I am the one who made the earth and created people to live on it. With my
hands I stretched out the heavens. All the millions of stars are at my command.

I have to say that anyone with enough power at their disposal to invent and control all
the laws of nature and physics, is someone to worry about.

For example: Jesus, by means of the power of God, could restore blindness. Well
anybody who can restore blindness can just as easily cause it. Jesus also healed
paralysis. Well if he can heal paralysis then he can just as easily cause that too. And he
restored dead bodies to life; which means he could just as easily put people down. He
also healed withered limbs. Same thing. If he can heal a withered limb, then he can just
as easily do it in reverse; and also speech.

That kind of power is terrifying, especially when it's in the hands of a despot; and were it
to be wielded against God's enemies they would have no possible hope of defending
themselves because when people's muscles are atrophied, and they are blind,
paralyzed, mute, and quite possibly dead; they're totally helpless and in no condition to
do much of anything except complain; if that.
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Yeshua(jesus) is God

 

[Bluezone777]

I don't know why this topic would be disturbing for a Christian who has a relationship with God and knows who He is. They wouldn't need to make sense of everything God does because knowing God is enough which is why the Bible states that the righteous shall live by faith not sight. If you could fully understand God and know/understand all His ways then that would clearly show either you are also God or who you are putting your faith into isn't God.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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• 1Pet 1:18-20 . .You know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or
gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from
your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or
defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these
last times for your sake.

• Rev 13:8 . . And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship [the beast], whose
names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of
the world.

The Greek word translated "foundation" in that verse is katabole (kat-ab-ol-ay')
which refers to a deposition, i.e. a founding; figuratively: conception

In a nutshell; the two passages above indicate that Christ's crucifixion was included
in the master plan of creation from before God uttered His famous words in Gen
1:3, which implies that His son's crucifixion wasn't an EMT sent to the scene of a
train wreck; no, it turns out that God, by means of precognition, was expecting the
fall of man prior to any men even existing and was all ready for it, i.e. the fall of
man didn't take man's creator by surprise, viz: His son's crucifixion wasn't a
contingency, rather, the event was scheduled, and it took place right on time.

One day when I was a little boy, my dad and I were talking about Jesus and his
crucifixion. I was under the impression that he was a victim of unfortunate
circumstances. But my dad corrected me by saying: No, that was all planned.

I was too young at the time to comprehend the ramifications of my dad's comment;
but years later, while listening to a radio preacher explain it, I began to realize just
how profound my dad's words were-- and still are.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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The Hebrew word translated "regret" is somewhat ambiguous. Though it includes
feeling rue for making a mistake, it also implies taking an unpleasant course of
action that you know will cause people harm and/or inconvenience though for sure
the course is the wise thing to do.

For example: God was poised to destroy the city of Nineveh lest they changed their
ways. Within that city were 120,000 underage children, and numbers of beasts, that
would've been collateral damage had not the adults heeded Jonah's preaching.

God impressed upon Jonah that He would not take pleasure in destroying those
children, nor those beasts. However, God would have done so because it was the
wise thing to do.

I cannot even begin to imagine how it was wise (or right) for God to go ahead and
create mankind while knowing well in advance by means of precognition that they
would go bad and He would have to kill off just about everything-- birds, beasts,
men, women, and underage children too.

The creator knew in advance that if He went ahead as planned, the end result
would be the termination of untold numbers of terrified people not only in a Flood,
but also in the brimstone depicted by Rev 20:10-15.

It's a mystery. People brighter and better educated than I have thus far been
unable to figure it out: they make excuses for God (a.k.a. apologetics) instead of
coming to grips with the reality that we're all little more than an insect zoo: just
bugs imprisoned in a terrarium constructed for the supreme being's amusement.

• Rev 4:11 . . O Lord our God . . you created everything, and it is for your pleasure
that they exist and were created.
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[Lamb]

instead of
coming to grips with the reality that we're all little more than an insect zoo: just
bugs imprisoned in a terrarium constructed for the supreme being's amusement.

Your posts are becoming more and more hostile to our dear Lord. It's concerning.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Rev 4:11 . . O Lord our God . . you created everything, and it is for your pleasure that they exist and were created.

Personally, I don't mind going through life as a product of the creator's imagination.
It's not so bad once you get used to it. And besides: I may be a toy constructed for
the creator's amusement, but I'm a pretty high-ranking toy; after all, Jas 3:9 says
that humans are made in the likeness of God. That's really something when you
think about it.

Yes; I may be a little bug in a terrarium for now, but I'm a little bug with potential.

• Eph 1:4-5 . . For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy
and blameless in his sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons
through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will

• Phil 3:20-21 . . Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a savior from
there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring
everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like
his glorious body.

• Rom 8:17 . . Now if we are children, then we are heirs-- heirs of God and co-heirs
with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in
his glory.
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[Odë:hgöd]

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FAQ: Is it safe to assume that God's ways are always right even when they sometimes
appear totally wrong?

A: Yes; and here's why:

When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, he and his wife obtained an intuitive sense of
right and wrong (Gen 3:22). Unfortunately, the sense they obtained was unreliable due
to the fact that it was a product of the Serpent's handiwork instead of their divine
benefactor's.

The Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil/Satan (Rev 12:9) --has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and
the ability to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily
detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

That explains why God is commonly perceived making mistakes and/or acting like a
demented fiend; and also why, try as it might, the human mind cannot make sense
of some of the things God does.
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[pinacled]

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FAQ: Is it safe to assume that God's ways are always right even when they sometimes
appear totally wrong?

A: Yes; and here's why:

When Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, he and his wife obtained an intuitive sense of
right and wrong (Gen 3:22). Unfortunately, the sense they obtained was unreliable due
to the fact that it was a product of the Serpent's handiwork instead of their divine
benefactor's.

The Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil/Satan (Rev 12:9) --has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and
the ability to tamper with the human body and the human mind in ways not easily
detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

That no doubt explains why so many unbelievers are put off by what they perceive as
Christianity's God making mistakes and/or acting like a demented fiend.
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The serpent has no power power of death.

Only deceit and murderous plots are its domain.

What Does the Bible Say About Jesus Conquering Death And Hell?

Bible verses about Jesus Conquering Death And Hell

www.openbible.info

 

[atpollard]

Anyway, aside from all that; it appears to me that God had high expectations for
the people of man, and was very disappointed that numbers of them went bad; sort
of like how parents feel when a kid, whom they've given every privilege, every
opportunity, and every advantage imaginable, lets it all go overboard and somehow
ends up incorrigible and a total failure instead.

I believe that the issue is one of DISPENSATIONS. History is the unfolding of significantly different opportunities for man to interact with God (our creator) in a new way. Each Dispensation answers a cosmic “what if” to set to rest any possible question about whether there was some other way for man to learn to love God. God loved man from the first breath that God breathed into Adam; it is man that has never returned that love.

In the First Dispensation, God created man and woman sinless and walked among them in a perfect garden. God created one trivial command whose only purpose was to give mankind an opportunity to obey. Without even the opportunity to disobey, man would have been the slaves that Satan accused Job of being and that people claim Calvinism describes men as. Can there be any doubt that the choice to eat the fruit broke the heart of the Trinity. Is there any doubt that God felt agony at the need to condemn his beloved mankind to spiritual separation and physical death. God could not have enjoyed slaying animals to cover their nakedness. Thus God’s pain and the death of life in the garden marked the end of the first dispensation and answered the question “what if God crated men sinless?”

For the second Dispensation, the sons and daughters of Adam were able to freely choose on their own with the knowledge that God had given their parents. Immediately we see Cain murdering Able and the start of mankind inventing ever more evils. By the seventh generation, we have the story of Enoch and those that walk with God and the story of Lamech who boasted that he was ten times as evil as Cain. Mankind was left to seek God on their own, and the result was “the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” so we see that the lord must again destroy what He loves to start over with yet another Dispensation and another chance for mankind to begin again to find God.

So it was with a broken heart that God destroyed the evil and corruption of His beloved creation and started over ... with just one good family. Can mankind seek God without the influence of “Cains”?

... fast forward to the First Century and man has exhausted every possibility except one. What if God saved men by grace through faith, and that not of themselves, it is the gift of God so that no man can boast?

 

[pinacled]

Your posts are becoming more and more hostile to our dear Lord. It's concerning.

An unfortunate effect of the internet providing anonymity is that the enemy can sow discord and strife while taking advantage of naive hospitality.