The Baptism of the Holy Ghost

[Alithis]

it is promised those who believe
it is done by God
it is evidenced .

have you been baptized in the Holy Ghost .. and if so - How do you know ? (requires testimony )

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, I knew it when it happened as I spoke in toungues and since have interpreted toungues and have operated in prophecy as well.

 

[MoreCoffee]

it is promised those who believe
it is done by God
it is evidenced .

have you been baptized in the Holy Ghost .. and if so - How do you know ? (requires testimony )

Yes, when I was baptised as the Lord said; one must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God.

 

[Alithis]

Yes, when I was baptised as the Lord said; one must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God.

how do you know ?

 

[MoreCoffee]

how do you know ?

I believe it because the holy scriptures say so and I believe them; I guess that means I do not know as one might know a thing through worldly knowledge because worldly knowledge is based on sight and sense but faith comes from hearing the word of Christ (Romans 10:17) and it is the Lord Jesus Christ who said "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5) and he also said "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved" (Mark 16:16) I believe the Lord Jesus Christ and in his gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Alithis]

I believe it because the holy scriptures say so and I believe them; I guess that means I do not know as one might know a thing through worldly knowledge because worldly knowledge is based on sight and sense but faith comes from hearing the word of Christ (Romans 10:17) and it is the Lord Jesus Christ who said "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5) and he also said "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved" (Mark 16:16) I believe the Lord Jesus Christ and in his gift of the Holy Spirit.

if the apostle were asked this question do you think their reply would be ambiguous like that ? how did they know they were baptized in the holy ghost . we are not baptized in the holy ghost because one one else who is also not baptized i the holy Ghost lays their hand on you and says so. it is God who does it not man .

it is interesting that when a person in the word receives an evil spirit there is manifestation of that spirit and no one has any problem with that and they al say oh that person has a demon or an evil spirit ..

But when it comes to the holy Spirit they think there is no manifstation of his presence ? even though the lord Jesus said you know the wind by the effect it has .. .. well its the same with the holy Spirit ,. when one is baptized in the holy Spirit one knows it by the tangible evidence .. because the very reason he is baptizing us is to acknowledge our faith in him ... the lord is giving to us the down-payment of himself as evidence to us that he wil also give us the fullness in due time .
if the lord has acknowledge our faith i this manner we can say with absolute assurity of it happening to us and of the presence of the holy Spirit indwelling us due to the tangible experience of it as evidence to us . it is a sign that follows faith .. it is not known by faith . it is known because it follows the faith of the heart .

if we cannot testify of it it is simply because it has not yet taken place .

it is good that you believe the scripture but can you testify if the moment you were baptized in the holy Ghost .. ?the promise is true . but have you received the promise ? can you testify of doing so ?
if not .. that's fine . simply "ask the father " who, the lord Jesus said " will give ... and when he does .. you will know .

i will add so that some do not be misled . the baptism of the Holy Ghost is not earned and is not a qualification. his presence within is not an automatic change of character ..one must continue to walk in obedience to the lord and be changed .the baptism of the holy Spirit and his anointing upon a person does not automatically validate what that person does -if anything it makes them even more accountable to God . it is ,i believe for this reason that when folks go astray they are dealt with more harshly ,exposed and publicly humiliated for doing so .

the isralites knew of the promised land .. but the knowing of it and the receiving of it are two very different things .

 

[Alithis]

ok who put those emticons in lol .. i didn not ..

do they come auto with the words e v i l evil ? ... aah yes i see they do

 

[Pelikan]

Forgive me for being frank, but to you the standard is something you do that you perceive to be evidence of something else.

MC's account is no less credible than yours just because he doesn't think he can spew syllables and consider himself closer to God for it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

if the apostle were asked this question do you think their reply would be ambiguous like that ?

I do not need to imagine what the apostles would say because they did say that baptism saves the faithful and they did say that when one is baptised one receives the holy Spirit.

how did they know they were baptized in the holy ghost .

They knew that they were baptised in the holy Spirit because the Lord Jesus Christ breathed on them and said "receive the holy Spirit". They also heard the Spirit as the sound of a rushing mighty wind and they saw his presence as cloven tongues of fire above each disciple's head on the day of Pentecost.

we are not baptized in the holy ghost because one one else who is also not baptized i the holy Ghost lays their hand on you and says so. it is God who does it not man .

it is interesting that when a person in the word receives an evil spirit there is manifestation of that spirit and no one has any problem with that and they al say oh that person has a demon or an evil spirit ..

But when it comes to the holy Spirit they think there is no manifstation of his presence ? even though the lord Jesus said you know the wind by the effect it has .. .. well its the same with the holy Spirit ,. when one is baptized in the holy Spirit one knows it by the tangible evidence .. because the very reason he is baptizing us is to acknowledge our faith in him ... the lord is giving to us the down-payment of himself as evidence to us that he wil also give us the fullness in due time .
if the lord has acknowledge our faith i this manner we can say with absolute assurity of it happening to us and of the presence of the holy Spirit indwelling us due to the tangible experience of it as evidence to us . it is a sign that follows faith .. it is not known by faith . it is known because it follows the faith of the heart .

if we cannot testify of it it is simply because it has not yet taken place .

it is good that you believe the scripture but can you testify if the moment you were baptized in the holy Ghost .. ?the promise is true . but have you received the promise ? can you testify of doing so ?
if not .. that's fine . simply "ask the father " who, the lord Jesus said " will give ... and when he does .. you will know .

i will add so that some do not be misled . the baptism of the Holy Ghost is not earned and is not a qualification. his presence within is not an automatic change of character ..one must continue to walk in obedience to the lord and be changed .the baptism of the holy Spirit and his anointing upon a person does not automatically validate what that person does -if anything it makes them even more accountable to God . it is ,i believe for this reason that when folks go astray they are dealt with more harshly ,exposed and publicly humiliated for doing so .

the isralites knew of the promised land .. but the knowing of it and the receiving of it are two very different things .

 

[Alithis]

I do not need to imagine what the apostles would say because they did say that baptism saves the faithful and they did say that when one is baptised one receives the holy Spirit.



They knew that they were baptised in the holy Spirit because the Lord Jesus Christ breathed on them and said "receive the holy Spirit". They also heard the Spirit as the sound of a rushing mighty wind and they say his presence as cloven tongues of fire about each disciple's head on the day of Pentecost.

and did this happen to you ? did the lord Jesus breath of you ? did you hear a rushing wind ? did tongues of fire appear upon you , or perhaps you spoke in other tongues ?

( sorry i don't recognize the apocrypha so no point quoting it )
i believe your testimony that you believe a verse.. but thus far you have not testified of the occurrence.only that you believe a verse . i believe many verses but have not yet experienced them .so while, like you , i can testify that i believe the verse,i cannot testify of it occurring yet.

for instance i testify that I believe the verse that says the heavens will roll up like a scroll and the lord Jesus will appear in glory and every eye shall see him coming ..pp.. but i cannot testify of that having occurred .

so you see im not asking any one to testify of what "they believe" but of what has occurred in their life .

 

[Alithis]

Forgive me for being frank, but to you the standard is something you do that you perceive to be evidence of something else.

MC's account is no less credible than yours just because he doesn't think he can spew syllables and consider himself closer to God for it.

your not being frank your being impolite from a misunderstood viewpoint .

 

[popsthebuilder]

I was baptised in the holy spirit and curcumsized of my transgressions by the Lord. It completely changed my life and continues to change it daily. Since I have had a completely different outlook on life, God, and responsability. Scripture implies that baptism for a gentile comes from err and eventual recognition of said sin, leading to the opposite direction under God.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[popsthebuilder]

I have since been able to comprehend scripture and ancient texts very well. And have also had prophetic signs if you will. All praise is for the Lord under God.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

 

[MoreCoffee]

and did this happen to you ? did the lord Jesus breath of you ? did you hear a rushing wind ? did tongues of fire appear upon you , or perhaps you spoke in other tongues ?

( sorry i don't recognize the apocrypha so no point quoting it )
i believe your testimony that you believe a verse.. but thus far you have not testified of the occurrence.only that you believe a verse . i believe many verses but have not yet experienced them .so while, like you , i can testify that i believe the verse,i cannot testify of it occurring yet.

for instance i testify that I believe the verse that says the heavens will roll up like a scroll and the lord Jesus will appear in glory and every eye shall see him coming ..pp.. but i cannot testify of that having occurred .

so you see im not asking any one to testify of what "they believe" but of what has occurred in their life .

Q: did this happen to you? did the lord Jesus breath of you? A: Yes, he did, by means of his representative the local bishop. Christ sent him to do this work.

Q: did you hear a rushing wind ? did tongues of fire appear upon you A: No, when I received the holy Spirit there was no audible sound like a mighty rushing wind nor was any cloven tongue like fire seen in my vicinity or elsewhere in the building.

Remark: sorry i don't recognize the apocrypha so no point quoting it Reply: I recognise all the passages that I quoted as holy scripture and if your theology causes you to reject some of the word of God written then all the more reason for me to doubt the truth of the theology that causes you to reject what God has to say.

Remarks: i believe your testimony that you believe a verse.. but thus far you have not testified of the occurrence.only that you believe a verse . i believe many verses but have not yet experienced them .so while, like you , i can testify that i believe the verse,i cannot testify of it occurring yet. for instance i testify that I believe the verse that says the heavens will roll up like a scroll and the lord Jesus will appear in glory and every eye shall see him coming ..pp.. but i cannot testify of that having occurred . Reply: Your personal reflections are interesting but irrelevant to the topic we're discussing.

Comment: so you see im not asking any one to testify of what "they believe" but of what has occurred in their life . Reply: The truth is true regardless of who in the room has or has not experienced such and such. The current discussion is about truth not opinion or un-evidenced experience.

 

[Alithis]

Q: did this happen to you? did the lord Jesus breath of you? A: Yes, he did, by means of his representative the local bishop. Christ sent him to do this work.

Q: did you hear a rushing wind ? did tongues of fire appear upon you A: No, when I received the holy Spirit there was no audible sound like a mighty rushing wind nor was any cloven tongue like fire seen in my vicinity or elsewhere in the building.

Remark: sorry i don't recognize the apocrypha so no point quoting it Reply: I recognise all the passages that I quoted as holy scripture and if your theology causes you to reject some of the word of God written then all the more reason for me to doubt the truth of the theology that causes you to reject what God has to say.

Remarks: i believe your testimony that you believe a verse.. but thus far you have not testified of the occurrence.only that you believe a verse . i believe many verses but have not yet experienced them .so while, like you , i can testify that i believe the verse,i cannot testify of it occurring yet. for instance i testify that I believe the verse that says the heavens will roll up like a scroll and the lord Jesus will appear in glory and every eye shall see him coming ..pp.. but i cannot testify of that having occurred . Reply: Your personal reflections are interesting but irrelevant to the topic we're discussing.

Comment: so you see im not asking any one to testify of what "they believe" but of what has occurred in their life . Reply: The truth is true regardless of who in the room has or has not experienced such and such. The current discussion is about truth not opinion or un-evidenced experience.

well that was a long way of saying your answer is .. no .

 

[MoreCoffee]

well that was a long way of saying your answer is .. no .

Don't ask multiple questions if you don't want answers to each of them.

 

[Alithis]

did this so called bishop have any of these manifestations ? you cant say of course . but he cannot give you what he himself does not have .and if you had received you would be able to testify of it .but you testify truthfully saying .. "a man with a man given title put his hands on you and said some words . you testify of that because that is what happened . but you (thus far ) testify of nothing more ..

here again is the difference: let us say i am promised a cup of water by the lord . so a man who is supposedly the lords minister of water, comes to me and puts his hands on my head and says to me "receive a cup of water " and then i go my way ... as dry and thirsty as when i arrived . that is where your testimony ends. you see ,you have not yet testified of actually receiving that cup of water .only that some one laid hands on you and said it .

so i believe your testimony .but it is not a testimony of being baptized in the holy Spirit . it is only a testimony about a man putting his hands on your head and saying some words .

another example it amounts to the blind man saying .."oh yes a man prayed for me to be healed ... he put his hands on me and told me to receive my sight .." But he is still blind . while he can testify of being prayed for ,he cannot testify of his eyes being opened until his eyes are opened .