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The actual Body and Blood, or just symbolic?

BruceLeiter

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Do you say that Jesus is not the light of the world nor the resurrection and the life nor the good shepherd nor the door of the sheep nor I AM nor the bread of life, for me Jesus IS all of those titles which are either analogically true or ontologically true and fully applicable to the Lord Jesus Christ just as he IS the king of the kingdom and he IS the saviour of his people from their sins.

Jesus IS the bread broken for you and he IS the blood of the new and everlasting covenant, neither statement is a metaphor, both statements are sacramentally and non-metaphorically true of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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The only bible I have ever encountered that makes Jesus' words about the wine and the cup into metaphors is The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures of Jehovah's witnesses. That bible says; Matthew 26:26 As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf and, after saying a blessing, he broke it and, giving it to the disciples, he said: "TAKE, eat. This means my body." 27 Also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: "Drink out of it, all of YOU; 28 for this means my 'blood of the covenant,' which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins. (NWT)
@MoreCoffee, here are two definitions of the word "metaphor," according to dictionary.com:

1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” 2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

The JWs' insertion of the word "means" doesn't make it a metaphor. The comparison is itself the metaphor, according to the definitions.

Thus, the seven "I am" claims of Jesus are all metaphors comparing Jesus with a thing like a door to the sheepfold or bread. Like his parables, he uses everyday things and people like a shepherd to make his claims that he is, indeed, God with the Father and the Spirit.
 

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@MoreCoffee, here are two definitions of the word "metaphor," according to dictionary.com:

1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.” 2. something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.

The JWs' insertion of the word "means" doesn't make it a metaphor. The comparison is itself the metaphor, according to the definitions.

Thus, the seven "I am" claims of Jesus are all metaphors comparing Jesus with a thing like a door to the sheepfold or bread. Like his parables, he uses everyday things and people like a shepherd to make his claims that he is, indeed, God with the Father and the Spirit.
It is the door that is like Jesus, so too, the sheepfold and neither is a metaphor. I shall bow out of further discussion along these lines with you because the discussion has become repetitive and nonproductive.
 

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The Word: “This is My Body… This is My Blood”
At the Last Supper, Jesus does not say, “This represents My Body” or “This symbolizes My Blood.” He takes bread, gives thanks, breaks it, and says:
“Take and eat; this is My Body.”
“Drink from it, all of you. This is My Blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”

In a reading:
• The bread truly becomes His Body.
• The wine truly becomes His Blood.
• The elements are not just reminders; they are His very self given to you

The perfection of His Body given
This is His Body, every perfection of Christ’s incarnate life is present there:
• The Body that was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary.
• The Body that walked, healed, touched lepers, raised the dead.
• The Body that was transfigured in glory on the mountain.
• The Body that was scourged, pierced, and crucified.
• The Body that rose from the dead, glorified and immortal.
You are not receiving a “piece” of Jesus or a phase of Jesus—you are receiving the whole Christ: His divinity, His humanity, His suffering and His glory, His death and His resurrection, all concentrated in sacramental form.

Every time you receive:
• His obedience is present, answering your disobedience.
• His purity is present, answering your impurity.
• His strength is present, answering your weakness.
• His sonship is present, answering your orphanhood.
The mechanic here:
The Father gives the Son to the world once on the Cross; the Son gives Himself to you repeatedly in the Eucharist—the same Body, the same gift, made present across time.

The power of His Blood poured out
The cup is His Blood, all the covenant power of His sacrifice is present in that chalice.
His Blood is:
Atoning: It truly takes away sin, not just reminds you that sin was taken away.
Covenantal: “This is My Blood of the covenant”—it seals a real, binding relationship between God and you.
Cleansing: It washes the conscience, not just the memory.
Protective: Like the Passover blood on the doorposts, it marks you as belonging to God.
Victorious: It is the Blood by which the saints “overcome” in Revelation.

When you drink:
• You are not just thinking about forgiveness—you are drinking the very Blood that purchased it.
• You are not just recalling the covenant—you are standing inside it, renewed in it, sealed by it.
• You are not just inspired by His sacrifice—you are touched by its living power.

Union: He in you, and you in Him
His Body and Blood are present and you receive them, then the union is not only emotional or intellectual—it is bodily and spiritual at once.
• He enters your body under the form of bread and wine.
• His life mingles with your life—not by confusion, but by communion.
• Your very cells are touched by the mystery of His incarnate life.
 
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