Should illegal immigrants get free health care in the US?

[Lamb]

Should illegal immigrants get free health care in the US?

 

[tango]

It's ironic when legal immigrants (the ones who obeyed the law) don't get freebies while the ones who broke the law do.

 

[Lamb]

It's ironic when legal immigrants (the ones who obeyed the law) don't get freebies while the ones who broke the law do.

Strange how politicians think differently than ethical people do

 

[tango]

Strange how politicians think differently than ethical people do

Gotta harvest the votes from somewhere I guess.

I remember reading a comment that said if illegals voted Republican you can be sure the Democrats would be all over voter ID rules and probably require everything short of a colonoscopy to determine eligibility to vote.

 

[Josiah]

Should illegal immigrants get free health care in the US?

IMO... the issue is....

They have been allowed to enter. They are HERE.

Now, someone shows up in the ER bleeding from a cut or with pneumonia or in diabetic shock or even in labor... what are we suppose to do? Say, "sorry, you're here illegally?" Should we let them die in the waiting room?

And even if it's not immediately life-threatening. Do we refuse to care for a pregnant woman? A child with Type 1 Diabetes? Morally, can/should we do that?

The problem, IMO, is not health care for those who entered illegally... the problem is they entering illegally. Once allowed to be here, morally, we can't just sit back and do nothing if they are sick. Even those on death row in prison are given health care.


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[tango]

IMO... the issue is....

They have been allowed to enter. They are HERE.

Now, someone shows up in the ER bleeding from a cut or with pneumonia or in diabetic shock or even in labor... what are we suppose to do? Say, "sorry, you're here illegally?" Should we let them die in the waiting room?

And even if it's not immediately life-threatening. Do we refuse to care for a pregnant woman? A child with Type 1 Diabetes? Morally, can/should we do that?

The problem, IMO, is not health care for those who entered illegally... the problem is they entering illegally. Once allowed to be here, morally, we can't just sit back and do nothing if they are sick. Even those on death row in prison are given health care.


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All these are valid points although they don't address the question of how treatment of illegal immigrants compares to treatment of legal immigrants or citizens.

It is certainly laudable to offer help to people in need. It just rings hollow when citizens are left to figure it out for themselves if they can't come up with the money for the medications they need. Would we care for a pregnant citizen less than we care for a pregnant illegal immigrant? What about an American child with type 1 diabetes?

 

[Josiah]

@tango I cannot speak for the US but here in The People's Republic of California, I know (as an employer) that it's illegal to ask an applicant if they are here legally... we aren't allowed to ask and if that's volunteered, we are not permitted to discriminate agaist them because they are here illegally. I know its true in education, too. My wife (a now retired public school teacher) noted that there are schools (even whole school districts) where it is THOUGHT the majority of the students are illegal aliens, here illegally. BUT it's illegal to ask about that when the child is enrolled and illegal to do anything about if that's volunteered. So, we taxpayers are spending tens of thousands of dollars each year for each kid here illegally.

Morally anyway, I think it's hard to support that we pay for a kid to go to school but not if they need insulin to live....

The issue we need to address, IMO, is that they are here. Once permitted to be here, it seems we have a moral obligation to treat them as we would if they were here legally. Yeah, there are STILL the issues of health insurance, etc. Yup. Same as for those legally here.

A related issue that bugs me.... border states like California, Texas, Arizona.... we have to pay for these people. The federal government is the one responsible for controlling our borders but the impacted states have to pay for the federal government's lack of control. AND I'm concerned with illegal aliens voting. In California, if you have a driver's license, you essentially can vote. Yes, there's a box to check if want to also register to vote and in small print it says you must be a US citizen but there's NO check if the applicant actually is. It's unknown how many illegal "Motor - Voter" folks there are in CA but it's probably enough to impact close elections. But of course, these are different issues than health care.


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[tango]

@tango I cannot speak for the US but here in The People's Republic of California, I know (as an employer) that it's illegal to ask an applicant if they are here legally... we aren't allowed to ask and if that's volunteered, we are not permitted to discriminate agaist them because they are here illegally. I know its true in education, too. My wife (a now retired public school teacher) noted that there are schools (even whole school districts) where it is THOUGHT the majority of the students are illegal aliens, here illegally. BUT it's illegal to ask about that when the child is enrolled and illegal to do anything about if that's volunteered. So, we taxpayers are spending tens of thousands of dollars each year for each kid here illegally.

Morally anyway, I think it's hard to support that we pay for a kid to go to school but not if they need insulin to live....

The issue we need to address, IMO, is that they are here. Once permitted to be here, it seems we have a moral obligation to treat them as we would if they were here legally. Yeah, there are STILL the issues of health insurance, etc. Yup. Same as for those legally here.

A related issue that bugs me.... border states like California, Texas, Arizona.... we have to pay for these people. The federal government is the one responsible for controlling our borders but the impacted states have to pay for the federal government's lack of control. AND I'm concerned with illegal aliens voting. In California, if you have a driver's license, you essentially can vote. Yes, there's a box to check if want to also register to vote and in small print it says you must be a US citizen but there's NO check if the applicant actually is. It's unknown how many illegal "Motor - Voter" folks there are in CA but it's probably enough to impact close elections. But of course, these are different issues than health care.

You have lots of good points here, and of course the biggest issue is the problem of people coming illegally in the first place. I don't know that I'd agree there is a moral obligation to treat them the same as if they were here legally, even beyond the obvious variance that an illegal immigrant should be deported while a legal immigrant clearly should not.

Curiously the issue of non-citizens voting is a matter of discrimination in favor of the illegals. If you vote when you are not eligible to vote you risk deportation. That's a pretty solid disincentive for a legal immigrant but no consideration at all for an illegal immigrant.

It's interesting to see the "sanctuary cities" who insist they welcome anyone and everyone complaining so bitterly that they are being expected to, you know, actually welcome anyone and everyone when the border states ship the illegal immigrants there. Hey cities - you said you'd welcome them so here they are, but now you have to step up you don't want to do it.

 

[Hadassah]

This immigrant crisis is by design. It is a replacement population for those being culled in this country. They are predominantly being shipped to democratic states because those states have the highest Covid shot rates. It is to hide the population drop of legal US citizens. The Daigle Report, which has since been removed from the internet, shows a drastic population drop by 2025. From like 320,000,000 to like 200,000-500,000 , if they do a good job at vaccination as Bill Gates says. Creepy!

The illegal immigration, It is like a revolving door policy.. Some goy will be kept to do the menial tasks that not even the " blacks" will do, I have heard. The immigrants coming here from Latin American countries especially, have not taken the Covid shots and even haven't been vaccinated in many cases with other shots. This is because they do not trust their governments.

Banana rebulics are not as well structured as the American system is. So, the Lock Step 2010 agenda along with the 2030 one, proposes a man made virus and the encouraged migration of the useless eaters. The immigrants are told that America is an open door and will provide what they do not get in their countries. They will be matriculated through the American system and its vaccination program and that herd too will be thinned.

The point is, to make the one race, who considers itself the supreme chosen of God, the dominant race. They have a few token goy ( pets) in obedience who are Stabled in them. Goyim means cattle, swine etc..... You are unworthy and they may do whatever they want with you and use their false understanding of God as their justification. Anyway, well, there you have it!