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Prayers for the survivors of the attacks and the families who lost loved ones.

There are rumors that there might be some terrorist attacks tomorrow on the anniversary so please stay safe.
 

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Those rumors are around every year. Yes, we need to remember the bravery and the sacrificwe that so many gave
 

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If I were living in the USA,

I would personally shun any remembrance of Sept 11, 2001 -be that in some sort of ceremony, a call to prayer or even watching anything of the like on television or in movie format.

There is just too much good, quality information out there debunking the official government/media narrative for it to be remembered and honored - and has been for many years now.

Not only this - the remembrance (and honoring) of the official narrative helps to send/keep young men and women sacrificing their lives for what they think is a good cause - fighting for freedom/democracy/fighting terrorism etc - when in reality they are doing nothing of the sort. It's a nice fiction - because nobody signs up to be a hero to protect the petrol dollar, strategic power, and corporations.

Absolutely no offense intended, even if it is taken.
 

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Well after watching live on tv what happened, I do like to pray for the survivors and the families who remain. It was devastating.
 

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Exactly I also watched it live and the sacrifgices were real as well as the bravery of so many. I do take offense to demeaniing the sacrifice of so mahny who lost their lives and are still having problems to this day. To watch was horrifying, and to see those men and women running to instead of away and giving thier lives to save others is inspiring and should be honored and anyone who disparages that memory, well I cant say those words and cant find anything desriptive enough in exchange so lets just say that I look down on thta
 

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Well after watching live on tv what happened, I do like to pray for the survivors and the families who remain. It was devastating.

Exactly I also watched it live and the sacrifgices were real as well as the bravery of so many. I do take offense to demeaniing the sacrifice of so mahny who lost their lives and are still having problems to this day. To watch was horrifying, and to see those men and women running to instead of away and giving thier lives to save others is inspiring and should be honored and anyone who disparages that memory, well I cant say those words and cant find anything desriptive enough in exchange so lets just say that I look down on thta

I also watched it live, believed what I saw for the first couple of years, felt the indignation and anger and sadness.

After a few years I saw my first documentary which questioned aspects of the pentagon attack, thought it was interesting and thought provoking, but didn't give it too much weight.

When C died, I had much more time on my hands, and I gave it more time. More documentaries, more articles, and I purchased some books on the subject. By about 2005 or so, I did not believe the original and official version of events could possibly be true for multiple reasons.

In the years that followed, I watched more documentaries and read more books/literature and saw perhaps the most confronting one of them all - "September Clues" - which - despite it's shocking claims I felt made very valid points. Some of which I researched and found to be true. Especially concerning the victims and the major media's web-pages listing them. They made quite a few mistakes (which have been corrected/removed in the years since) - but quite a few very bad mistakes. Mistakes that indicate a lot of photoshopping was going on. Ohh...that exif data that reveals notes and such about why this or that pic needs to be changed...

My view(s) are still unpopular because of people's emotional attachment/pride in country/indignation - but I stand by them. I've gotten a lot of flack from others on other websites.

Edit: And speaking of television - besides my hatred of advertisements for products I don't feel I need/want - 911 is a very big reason I no longer watch corporate sponsored television at all. It showed me just how far some of the powers that be will go to create a believable fiction, including years of predictive programming to condition people. Scary stuff.
 
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Stravinsk, my only possible objection to your posts in this thread, would be your choice of when and where you posted them.
 

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Here is some fact for you, I know a first responder who responded that day and 15 years later he has breathing problems as well as other ailments attributable to that so called fiction, here is another fact,, almost 3000 lost their lives and a few hundered of them were firefighters and police officers who ran to the danger to save others. There is some facts for you.
 

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Stravinsk, my only possible objection to your posts in this thread, would be your choice of when and where you posted them.

If this were in the prayer section I probably would have refrained. It's in off-topic, this board has no conspiracy section for people to avoid if they are sensitive to the issue, and there is simply no other way I can even address the subject any other way. I'm being honest about what I think. To say otherwise is to put on what is a false front for me. That, or say nothing. I find that hard to do on this subject - especially when it calls for a validation of something I believe with all my heart is not true in so many respects. I am not trying to ruffle feathers - just happens to be a natural consequence when this (or any other subject that people are emotional/passionate about) comes up.
 

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Here is some fact for you, I know a first responder who responded that day and 15 years later he has breathing problems as well as other ailments attributable to that so called fiction, here is another fact,, almost 3000 lost their lives and a few hundered of them were firefighters and police officers who ran to the danger to save others. There is some facts for you.

To the underlined, I don't doubt this is true, and yes, these people do deserve prayers or well wishes. No comment to the rest.
 

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If this were in the prayer section I probably would have refrained. It's in off-topic, this board has no conspiracy section for people to avoid if they are sensitive to the issue, and there is simply no other way I can even address the subject any other way. I'm being honest about what I think. To say otherwise is to put on what is a false front for me. That, or say nothing. I find that hard to do on this subject - especially when it calls for a validation of something I believe with all my heart is not true in so many respects. I am not trying to ruffle feathers - just happens to be a natural consequence when this (or any other subject that people are emotional/passionate about) comes up.

I feel that it's a shame that you couldn't just let us have a nice thread for people to give prayer for those who need it as well as a nice memorial.
 

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I feel that it's a shame that you couldn't just let us have a nice thread for people to give prayer for those who need it as well as a nice memorial.

Have conspiracy will post ...

May God grant gentle healing and good memories for all who survive a family member or friend who died in the events of 11th-September-2001
 

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Prayers for those who have lost loved ones this day 15 years ago. :pray:
 

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I also watched it live, believed what I saw for the first couple of years, felt the indignation and anger and sadness.

After a few years I saw my first documentary which questioned aspects of the pentagon attack, thought it was interesting and thought provoking, but didn't give it too much weight.

When C died, I had much more time on my hands, and I gave it more time. More documentaries, more articles, and I purchased some books on the subject. By about 2005 or so, I did not believe the original and official version of events could possibly be true for multiple reasons.

In the years that followed, I watched more documentaries and read more books/literature and saw perhaps the most confronting one of them all - "September Clues" - which - despite it's shocking claims I felt made very valid points. Some of which I researched and found to be true. Especially concerning the victims and the major media's web-pages listing them. They made quite a few mistakes (which have been corrected/removed in the years since) - but quite a few very bad mistakes. Mistakes that indicate a lot of photoshopping was going on. Ohh...that exif data that reveals notes and such about why this or that pic needs to be changed...

My view(s) are still unpopular because of people's emotional attachment/pride in country/indignation - but I stand by them. I've gotten a lot of flack from others on other websites.

Edit: And speaking of television - besides my hatred of advertisements for products I don't feel I need/want - 911 is a very big reason I no longer watch corporate sponsored television at all. It showed me just how far some of the powers that be will go to create a believable fiction, including years of predictive programming to condition people. Scary stuff.
Sounds like you have been thoroughly brainwashed with the conspiracies you have been reading or watching so I am just going to feel sorry for you. Originally, I felt so mad I wanted you to be banned! But I am not staff any how..lol
 

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Sounds like you have been thoroughly brainwashed with the conspiracies you have been reading or watching so I am just going to feel sorry for you. Originally, I felt so mad I wanted you to be banned! But I am not staff any how..lol

Only by the facts that many people do not want to look at. Brainwashing involves a lack of critical thinking coupled with a technique called "endless repetition" used to instill information - usually with a heavy attached emphasis of emotion (fear/love/compassion etc).

The process is enforced, usually by "authorities" with threats and fear and public shaming/ostracizing. "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists", "They hate us for our freedoms". "You're a nut job conspiracy theorist".

I don't want to get into it in this thread (discussing the minutia - as most people have an auto-wall shut off "I'm not listening" reaction) - but on CF (to take one example) - at least one of my posts was removed because I simply linked a web-archived account of a picture that had been posted on a major "remembrance" site that had been provably tampered with, and this was shown in the exif data.
 

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I feel that it's a shame that you couldn't just let us have a nice thread for people to give prayer for those who need it as well as a nice memorial.

I do it for the same reason Germans of good conscience would have sought to expose the lie of the Reichstag Fire. Pleasant fictions and nice memorials - when they are untrue or partially untrue - have CONSEQUENCES for both the people that believe them, and others who are AFFECTED by the people that believe them.
 

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Only by the facts that many people do not want to look at. Brainwashing involves a lack of critical thinking coupled with a technique called "endless repetition" used to instill information - usually with a heavy attached emphasis of emotion (fear/love/compassion etc).

The process is enforced, usually by "authorities" with threats and fear and public shaming/ostracizing. "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists", "They hate us for our freedoms". "You're a nut job conspiracy theorist".

I don't want to get into it in this thread (discussing the minutia - as most people have an auto-wall shut off "I'm not listening" reaction) - but on CF (to take one example) - at least one of my posts was removed because I simply linked a web-archived account of a picture that had been posted on a major "remembrance" site that had been provably tampered with, and this was shown in the exif data.
:swordfight::argue::nana:
 

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To the underlined, I don't doubt this is true, and yes, these people do deserve prayers or well wishes. No comment to the rest.
Yes it is true much to your amazement I am sure, now quit with all your disparagement of brace men and women
 

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Try going to the site of the twin towers, get to know someone who went through it and then say it wasnt real.
 

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Yes it is true much to your amazement I am sure, now quit with all your disparagement of brace men and women

Try going to the site of the twin towers, get to know someone who went through it and then say it wasnt real.

You aren't aware of what I believe, psalms. What is undeniably real is that 3 buildings fell that day (2 that we were shown over and over and over and over), and one (WTC7) that we weren't shown over and over(incidentally, also wasn't said to have been hit by a plane). I'm sure some people were hurt/killed - and I'm sure there were firefighters/police that may have/did lose their lives.

I don't believe I have ever argued those points, but I haven't been specific in what I don't believe. So here are a few examples.

1) Planes DID NOT hit the buildings. No, it is not possible that what we were shown on "live TV" is the truth. Why? Because while a fighter plane can fly at the speeds shown/reported at the low altitude required to hit the towers, a large passenger airline such as a 767 cannot. That type of jet simply cannot do it due to the amount of air density at those altitudes. They are not built to fly at those speeds at those altitudes, but at 20,000 feet - they cannot even approach the speeds shown at those altitudes without breaking up and tearing apart!

But the major media isn't counting on most people knowing this.

2) Many of the victims are photo-shopped and a lot of mistakes were made on the "remembrance" sites hosted by the likes of CNN. The people involved in posting those photos made a lot of mistakes - and when it was pointed out on the internet - all of a sudden those photos started disappearing from those sites.

Why create victims? Because the amount of real victims is likely to be far far less than what were told. 3,000 families grieving from the loss of loved ones (what, maybe 9-12k people NOT including their extended relatives) is a greater force to be reckoned with - a force the powers that orchestrated this are not likely to want to reckon with. Not to mention most of the victims aren't even on the Social Security Death Index. That's important. I found my grandfather on that index and although he was an American Citizen, he did not die in the USA- he died in Holland after living there for quite a few years.

3) The various angle shots of the planes are inconsistent with each other - that is to say - one shot will show a plane "dive bombing" from above in a short distance to hit a tower - while another shot shows the same plane going perfectly straight over the same distance. The logical conclusion is that one or both of the shots must be faked.

4) In some videos sounds of an explosion after plane impact can be heard far before it should be heard from the distance of the camera to the distance of the building. Either it was dubbed in or we throw some physics out the window.

5) A small army of engineers, airline pilots, experts in demolition and others in related fields have created multiple websites and documentaries putting their reputations as professionals on the line - all to educate the public on the monstrosity of the official version - why the buildings are supposed to have fallen, how it is possible that they did in the way they did, how those kinds of planes cannot fly at those altitudes, and even the difficulty of manually directing them the towers even if they could - so on and so forth.

The information is out there - you just have to look, and be open to reason.
 
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