Political Chaos Continues in Australia.

[Albion]

Yesterday the news was that Malcolm barely escaped, by a narrow margin, being dumped as Prime Minister, but now rebels in his own party want to vote again. Predictions are that Australia will see its seventh PM minister in a single decade as the result. Media report that the voters are fed up with the near paralysis in government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...seek-fresh-leadership-vote-idUSKCN1L62C9?il=0

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yesterday the news was that Malcolm barely escaped, by a narrow margin, being dumped as Prime Minister, but now rebels in his own party want to vote again. Predictions are that Australia will see its seventh PM minister in a single decade as the result. Media report that the voters are fed up with the near paralysis in government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...seek-fresh-leadership-vote-idUSKCN1L62C9?il=0

Malcolm Turnbull won 48 to 35. There is a letter/petition asking for another party meeting soon (maybe today). If the meeting is called it is likely that a second attempt to unseat Malcolm will be made. The leadership fight is making the government less effective but it has not been very effective from 2016.

 

[Andrew]

Yesterday the news was that Malcolm barely escaped, by a narrow margin, being dumped as Prime Minister, but now rebels in his own party want to vote again. Predictions are that Australia will see its seventh PM minister in a single decade as the result. Media report that the voters are fed up with the near paralysis in government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...seek-fresh-leadership-vote-idUSKCN1L62C9?il=0

7 Prime Munisters in 10 years?

 

[Albion]

Malcolm Turnbull won 48 to 35.

Yes. It was described by a number of news services as being a close call.

How one decides what constitutes close, I am not sure; however a switch of only 7 votes out of 83 would have changed the outcome.

 

[Albion]

7 Prime Munisters in 10 years?

Yes. The next one (expected soon) will be the seventh since 2007. There have been four already since June of 2013, five years ago.

Scandals can take a toll, and quickly, on governments with the parliamentary form of government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/world/australia/sex-ban-barnaby.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/australia/barnaby-joyce-deputy-pm-new-zealand.html








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[MoreCoffee]

Yes. It was described by a number of news services as being a close call.

How one decides what constitutes close, I am not sure; however a switch of only 7 votes out of 83 would have changed the outcome.

a 13 out of 83 (a 15.7%) lead is not very close.

 

[MoreCoffee]

7 Prime Munisters in 10 years?

Not quite. 10 years ago the PM was Kevin Rudd, since then there was Julia Gillard, then Kevin Rudd again, then Tony Abbot, and now Malcolm Turnbull.

 

[MoreCoffee]

a 13 out of 83 (a 15.7%) lead is not very close.

In this morning's news (07:45 my time, 9:45 Canberra time) the Finance minister and two other senior ministers have told the Pm that he no longer has party support so there may be a meeting and anpther vote today and if there is it seems likely that the PM will lose. It's all very fun

 

[Albion]

a 13 out of 83 (a 15.7%) lead is not very close.

Then you will have to take up you objection with the news media. That is how they described the vote. It was not my own analysis.

 

[Albion]

Not quite. 10 years ago the PM was Kevin Rudd, since then there was Julia Gillard, then Kevin Rudd again, then Tony Abbot, and now Malcolm Turnbull.

You're right. John Howard was PM 10 1/2 years ago and technically outside the 10 year period.

Not quite the equal of the post-WWII Italian Republic but a challenger for the title maybe.

 

[tango]

Yes. The next one (expected soon) will be the seventh since 2007. There have been four already since June of 2013, five years ago.

Scandals can take a toll, and quickly, on governments with the parliamentary form of government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/world/australia/sex-ban-barnaby.html







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Scandals don't need to cause that kind of chaos. During John Major's time as Prime Minister of England he seemed to be constantly under siege but still managed to cling to power, even if tenuously for large parts of it, for something like seven years. He won the general election in 1992 in his own right and was subsequently dogged by seemingly endless scandals, frequently relating to the obvious conflict between a drive for family values and his ministers seeming to have a great aptitude for being caught with their pants down.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Scandals don't need to cause that kind of chaos. During John Major's time as Prime Minister of England he seemed to be constantly under siege but still managed to cling to power, even if tenuously for large parts of it, for something like seven years. He won the general election in 1992 in his own right and was subsequently dogged by seemingly endless scandals, frequently relating to the obvious conflict between a drive for family values and his ministers seeming to have a great aptitude for being caught with their pants down.

It's not scandals that ends their time as PM. It's all about popularity and winning the next election. In Oz elections are every 3 years. In a typical 10 year period we'd expect 2 or 3 PMs.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's not scandals that ends their time as PM. It's all about popularity and winning the next election. In Oz elections are every 3 years. In a typical 10 year period we'd expect 2 or 3 PMs.

Malcolm will convene a party meeting if he receives a letter with a majority of party members asking for one; if he does he will stand down as PM and will not allow his name to be nominated for PM. That means that if the letter materialises then Australia will have a new PM. There are two (possibly three) contenders for PM in the Liberal Party. They are Peter Dutton and Scott Morrison, the third possibility is Julie Bishop. It's all fun and games in the Liberal Party!

:smirk:

 

[MoreCoffee]

Malcolm Turnbull - current Australian PM - made a statement earlier today.

 

[Albion]

More political news from the land of Oz--

Former Western Australia opposition leader Troy Buswell admitted that he sniffed the chair of a female staffer in an office in Perth Parliament House in 2005.

Former PM Bob Hawke was reportedly fond of hosting poolside meetings with his ministers at the lodge while completely nude.

Matt Brown, the New South Wales police minister, decided to get half naked and gyrate on a female MP. He then turned to her adult daughter and said "Look at this, I'm (comment omitted) your mother!"

Andrew Quah, a conservative candidate for western Sydney, said it was possible that he posed for nude photo but protested, "That's not my (omitted)."

Former Liberal leader Sir Billy Snedden died while in the act with his son's ex girlfriend. His son later commented, "anyone would be proud to die on the job."

 

[MoreCoffee]

More political news from the land of Oz--

Former Western Australia opposition leader Troy Buswell admitted that he sniffed the chair of a female staffer in an office in Perth Parliament House in 2005.

Former PM Bob Hawke was reportedly fond of hosting poolside meetings with his ministers at the lodge while completely nude.

Matt Brown, the New South Wales police minister, decided to get half naked and gyrate on a female MP. He then turned to her adult daughter and said "Look at this, I'm (comment omitted) your mother!"

Andrew Quah, a conservative candidate for western Sydney, said it was possible that he posed for nude photo but protested, "That's not my (omitted)."

Former Liberal leader Sir Billy Snedden died while in the act with his son's ex girlfriend. His son later commented, "anyone would be proud to die on the job."

Politicians can do really stupid things, can't they. So why is this all of interest to you?

 

[Albion]

Yes, I will answer your question. These forums, not just CH, collect a lot of posters from other English speaking countries that are currently suffering inferiority complexes from being now second-rate nations. These folks delight in maligning the United States and the American people, too. They keep up a drumbeat of satire, sarcasm, and scorn, pretending to be shocked because the president is divorced or because one of our political parties favors a sensible immigration policy.

But it turns out that those other countries are much worse in the ethics and good government department than we.

In the case of Australia, a lot of Americans suppose--Crocodile dundee not withstanding--that the Australian people must be starchy and proper to a degree that puts us to shame and their government more stable than ours. It turns out that just the opposite is the reality.






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[Josiah]

Yesterday the news was that Malcolm barely escaped, by a narrow margin, being dumped as Prime Minister, but now rebels in his own party want to vote again. Predictions are that Australia will see its seventh PM minister in a single decade as the result. Media report that the voters are fed up with the near paralysis in government.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...seek-fresh-leadership-vote-idUSKCN1L62C9?il=0

IMO, this is for the good people of Australia.... it's a (sort of) soverign nation and certainly a democracy, thus really none of my business beyond a brief prayer for a good nation and people.

 

[Josiah]

Politicians can do really stupid things, can't they. So why is this all of interest to you?

Perhaps because a certain Australian among us seems OBSESSED with ridiculing and controlling the USA. "He who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks." "When you point one finger at others, you may be pointing 3 back at yourself." In other words, when you've made YOUR OWN country perfect, you can start on others (assuming you passionally think the people there are too stupid, too irresponsible, too idiotic to do it themselves).

 

[MoreCoffee]

Perhaps because a certain Australian among us seems OBSESSED with ridiculing and controlling the USA. "He who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks." "When you point one finger at others, you may be pointing 3 back at yourself." In other words, when you've made YOUR OWN country perfect, you can start on others (assuming you passionally think the people there are too stupid, too irresponsible, too idiotic to do it themselves).

I do not mind USAns opining about Australia. It's fine with me. Some of their opinions are spot on. Some are daft as can be. But Albion's choice of material was just vulgar. Made me wonder why he went to the trouble of either hunting it down or inventing it.