Pilate’s regret

[Lees]

God does not bring sickness on someone. Jesus carried our sicknesses on the cross. It's just like saying: God does not want to save everyone. Are you bigger than God? No but I just look at what He reveals about His will in Scripture. Pray for all man cause God wants everyone saved. Don't pray for those who sin unto death. So I'm not gonna lay hands on Putin or on someone who lives in sin and btw in my case actually noone except family and unsaved and animals, cause I'm not a minister.
The first time they taught me this I had the same response as you, but they taught me from Scripture. It is always God's will. Jesus paid for it already. By His stripes we are healed. And yes when God decides He wants someone to go to heaven, like I said, Smith Wigglesworth just raised his wife from the dead, because God gave us authority and He had to say to him: Let her go. It's her time. We had some gypsies in church. Their grandma died. They just commanded her to come back and she said: Let me go. I was just walking with Jesus.
And the stomping thorn was not a sickness but those people who beat him up, inspired by satan. And it doesn't say that God did not want to heal Timothy. Sometimes you just need a natural solution and Paul was not Jesus and not perfect.

Of course God brings sickness upon people. Jesus told the only man He healed at the pool in Jerusalem to "...sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." (John 5:14) That means the sickness Jesus healed him of was from God. And it was a warning that if he continued in his sin, a greater sickness would be given.

Who said you're not a minister? Not the Bible. (1 Peter 2:5) But though all Christians are ministers, not all have the gift of healing. Correct? (1 Cor. 12:27-30)

If it was as you say, your church should daily be going through the hospitals healing everyone and raising people from the dead who just died there.

Whatever Paul's thorn was, and we don't know, God wouldn't remove it. (2 Cor. 12:7-9) It certainly created a weakness in Paul which was what God wanted. In other words, God's will.

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[Lees]

You didn't get it, I understand.

However, it couldn't have been clearer and was stated more than once.

And as I have said, that's not correct. There are more than two, but you are apparently geared to deal with only one--beside you own, of course.



And another is that it's not an "all or nothing" situation. Not recognizing that fact and then overlooking this bloc of Christians may be the reason you're having such a difficult time with this thread.

Then state your view, which you say is another, and give the Scripture to support.

Here, let me help.

1.) Do you believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit exist in the Church today? (1 Cor. 12-14) (Rom. 12:3-8) (Eph. 4:7-16)

2.) Do you believe these gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased and are no longer present in the Church today? If so, where in the Scripture does it say that?

3.) Do you believe only some of these gifts exist in the Church today? If so, where in the Scripture does it say that.?

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Of course God brings sickness upon people. Jesus told the only man He healed at the pool in Jerusalem to "...sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." (John 5:14) That means the sickness Jesus healed him of was from God. And it was a warning that if he continued in his sin, a greater sickness would be given.

Who said you're not a minister? Not the Bible. (1 Peter 2:5) But though all Christians are ministers, not all have the gift of healing. Correct? (1 Cor. 12:27-30)

If it was as you say, your church should daily be going through the hospitals healing everyone and raising people from the dead who just died there.

Whatever Paul's thorn was, and we don't know, God wouldn't remove it. (2 Cor. 12:7-9) It certainly created a weakness in Paul which was what God wanted. In other words, God's will.

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I don't think it's God's will to just raise everyone from the dead. It was a result of sin. Sounds like he opened the door for satan. Which was not the case with the blind man, when those bozo's said: did he sin or his parents? And it also doesn't say God made him blind, but He used it to show His power to heal. Paul was blind. That was from God.
Going to the hospital to heal everyone makes no sense. My FIL was in the hospital and we prayed for him and my ex asked others guys in his room if he could pray for them too, but they didn't want it. Only a Catholic man from another room asked him if he could please pray for him too.
I am not gonna pray for loads of people. Zijlstra did that, but he was called to be a pastor. He prayed for everyone who wanted prayer. I helped him once. Group of 30 ppl behind him, praying along. Wow. I was tired already. That men went on and on and on until he died in his 80s, praying for everyone who wanted it until midnight. But he had a church, people prayed for him, so protection, a wife and he was called to do this. That was his protection. I'm no way doing that. We tried. We had a tiny church and ppl got healed, but the devil hates that. You get loads of attacks. The Muthees started a church in Africa. They had their whole church praying 24/7 and people prayed for protection for the ones who prayed. The whole city got saved and a witch was stripped of her power and left. But you can't do that stuff alone or with a lazy group who only want to have everything for free but when you need some prayer theyre not home.