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Nah. It affected 1 person. You just don't know prophecy.

"So what seems to be a trivial incident turned out to be a major event. Noah's oracle (vv. 25-27) showed that the natures of his three sons would be perpetuated in their descendants. (9:24-29). Because of this incident Noah prophesied about his sons' descendants." (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, John Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck, Chariot Victor Publishing, Colorado Springs, Colorado, Allen Ross being the commentator of (Genesis), 1985, p. 41)

"It is proabable that there is a long interval included between vv. 24 and 25, and that the following utterances, like those of Isaac and Jacob, addressed to their sons (chs. xxvii 27-40), were not spoken till near the close of Noah's life, when the prophetic spirit came upon him." (A Commentary Critical, Experimental, and Practical, Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, vol. 1, Jamieson being the commentator of vol. 1, EErdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids Michigan, 1990, p. 108)

Concerning Canaan: "There is no evidence that the doom was inflicted personally but as in similar cases, fulfilled in the national subjection of his posterity (cf. xxvii. 29, 37, 40; xxv. 23; xiv. 4). And accordingly this malediction took affect in the moral degradation of the Canaanites expulsion from the land of Canaan, and in the reduction to the most abject servitude of the few who were exempted from destruction by the Israelites (Josh. ix. 23). The observant mind of Noah saw in Ham, and in his youngest son, who bore a close resemblance to him, those mental characteristics which would impress their stamp upon his posterity:..." (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, p. 108)

" 26. Blessed be the Lord God of Shem...an intimation that the descendants of Shem should be peculiarly honored in the service of the true God, his Church being for ages established amongst them (the Jews),...." (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, p. 108)

"27. God shall enlarge Japheth...Accordingly his descendants have been the most active and enterprising spread over the best and largest portion of the world....What a wonderful prophecy in a few verses!" (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, p. 109)

"Almost immediately after Adam's fall, a remarkable prophecy was uttered containing in outline the history of redemption (Gen. 3:15); and almost immediately after Noah's fall, a remarkable prophecy was uttered containing in outline the history of the great races of the earth. Thus does history repeat itself." (Gleanings in Genesis, Arthur W. Pink, Moody Press, Chicago, 1978, p. 120)

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"So what seems to be a trivial incident turned out to be a major event. Noah's oracle (vv. 25-27) showed that the natures of his three sons would be perpetuated in their descendants. (9:24-29). Because of this incident Noah prophesied about his sons' descendants." (The Bible Knowledge Commentary, John Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck, Chariot Victor Publishing, Colorado Springs, Colorado, Allen Ross being the commentator of (Genesis), 1985, p. 41)

"It is proabable that there is a long interval included between vv. 24 and 25, and that the following utterances, like those of Isaac and Jacob, addressed to their sons (chs. xxvii 27-40), were not spoken till near the close of Noah's life, when the prophetic spirit came upon him." (A Commentary Critical, Experimental, and Practical, Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, vol. 1, Jamieson being the commentator of vol. 1, EErdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids Michigan, 1990, p. 108)

Concerning Canaan: "There is no evidence that the doom was inflicted personally but as in similar cases, fulfilled in the national subjection of his posterity (cf. xxvii. 29, 37, 40; xxv. 23; xiv. 4). And accordingly this malediction took affect in the moral degradation of the Canaanites expulsion from the land of Canaan, and in the reduction to the most abject servitude of the few who were exempted from destruction by the Israelites (Josh. ix. 23). The observant mind of Noah saw in Ham, and in his youngest son, who bore a close resemblance to him, those mental characteristics which would impress their stamp upon his posterity:..." (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, p. 108)

" 26. Blessed be the Lord God of Shem...an intimation that the descendants of Shem should be peculiarly honored in the service of the true God, his Church being for ages established amongst them (the Jews),...." (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, p. 108)

"27. God shall enlarge Japheth...Accordingly his descendants have been the most active and enterprising spread over the best and largest portion of the world....What a wonderful prophecy in a few verses!" (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, p. 109)

"Almost immediately after Adam's fall, a remarkable prophecy was uttered containing in outline the history of redemption (Gen. 3:15); and almost immediately after Noah's fall, a remarkable prophecy was uttered containing in outline the history of the great races of the earth. Thus does history repeat itself." (Gleanings in Genesis, Arthur W. Pink, Moody Press, Chicago, 1978, p. 120)

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Ok. I'll entertain this because I am bored. I post stats of the Palestinian casualties and posted prophecies that are against building Zion on blood. I didn't give Micah the prophecy nor did I write the punishment for it, God did.

You reply with blasphemous sneering and cheeky accusations about how racist God is. How deserving are black and brown peoples to be subjugated because of your personal belief that Noah's curse, upon Ham's son, Canaan is about Noah being racist.

You think it is about pigment rather than character. You think it is for promoting racism as opposed to combating it, it is a racist thing Noah did according to you.

You and superman assert blacks, brown and Asian people are of Ham. You assume Ham is black, I went along with that assertion that Ham was black. Though it could have been Ham's wife was. That is neither here nor there, because Noah wasn't racist. Hence, black people were aboard the Ark. That would definitely too, disprove your assertion that God is a racist.

I support God's people called Israel but not the unjust war which was instigated and allowed by Bibi/Teman according to prophecy and I proved that with prophecy and news. You don't like that, and you are promoting a racist justification for the killing of brown people- Palestinians because of a curse uttered by Noah that you misinterpret.

🤣😂 This is funny. The curse, as I said before, has nothing to do with pigment or race. It has to do with character in how people see others. If, as you assert with your pastor- this and that, that all black, brown and even Japanese 🤣 have jaded characters because of their race, then how much more jaded are you?

You actually think, that in Christ any and all curses stand! No! You say that while also misinterpreting the Genesis account. That shows where you stand, not in Christ, as I said before. You think murder of people is acceptable if their pigment is of certain shade. Yet, scripture say murderers are outside the gates of heaven. So, then you must think black and brown peoples are subhuman.

Joeseph who is an archetype of who was to come, was given the Coat of Many Colors. That was a prophecy of all who would be in Christ, and they are of all the races. His brothers were jealous of him and that beautiful coat his father made just for him. So, much so, they sought to kill him.

In Joseph's sons Manasseh and Ephraim, represents the end of the so-called generational curse that was never about race to begin with. In Joseph's offspring is the (Double Blessing) because they are a blend of Hebrew and Gentile (brown) peoples and are favored.

They are a blend of colors and races. No wonder why the Jews in white supremacy won't stand after the wrath of the Lamb. " Only a remnant will be saved".

The land of Canaan became filled with tainted blood lines not because of pigment either. The Hittites were one of those tainted blood lines. Why? Genesis tells us "There were Nephilim in those days and after". The peoples of the land of Canaan would again through paganism (because they abandoned the God of Noah) as did Ham and what his shame for his father represents and is passed down to his son Canaan.

The pagans of the Canaanites would be tainted by the Nephilim who sought refuge amongst the stars during the deluge. Their return is written among all pagan cultures that arose after the flood. That is how Nephilim were on the earth the days after the flood. Obadiah reveals space travel. As do the Dead Sea Scrolls. Anyways, the Nephilim returned, they procreated with humans and tainted the blood lines of the races of the Canaanites because paganism was rampant among those peoples.

Canaan, Ham's son was cursed for Ham's shame of his father who had no shame because the Law had not been given yet. Noah served God. Ham was out of place and sought to override his father's position and turned his back on God, in his action of walking in backwards to cover some perceived offense, he showed that.

To curse Ham's son was not because Canaan was black but because it would sting Ham the most. People get very protective of their child more so than their own bodies even. Noah was ticked! Why? because there was shame in him.

Now, since you think pigment is an issue, and OC curses stand, here's a secret revealed. Isaac told his sons not to take wives from among the Canaanites. He told Jacob to go to his mother's kin and take a wife from among them. Esau did the opposite. He took two wives from among the Hittites of the land of Canaan. They were descendants of Anak. Esau intermingled Abraham's blood line with Nephilim. That is why God said, " Jacob I loved, Esau I hated", that and selling his birthright for some red stew. He put no stock in the covenant/blessing of God. He valued his own belly/appetite for life without the covenant more! Everything within one's heart all manifests and that is the story of many in the OC. It is allegory for something deeper. Only in the light of the NC can one see it. Obviously, your pastor wasn't in it nor ARE many.

See, the lineage of Esau has a Nephilim genetic marker. It is only found amongst the Ashkenazi. That is why God is going to completely clean the Edomite from off the land. You cannot be redeemed if you have that genetic Nephilim marker. They are the brood of vipers among the Pharisees and Sadducees. They love positions of power and influence in order to corrupt a lead astray. Not all the Pharisees of Christ's time had the genetic marker, the ones not saved did!

Point is, for today not all who identify as Jew, are. They like to call themselves the 13th tribe. They are Edomites and they are not counted among Jacob's 12 tribes. Though they do influence Jacob. They are over Jacob. Their Nephilim marker has been placed among Jacob by way of the Covid shots that 90% of those living in Israel took. Not to mention, the goy all over the world also.

The remnant of Jacob did not nor did the remnant among gentiles. Therefore, they are pure bloods. The Rothschilds have that Nephilim Marker. The man of sin shared it with everyone who took it. It will also come with the Mark upon the head and hand, placed upon those who worship the Beast's image, in Revelation. If you didn't take the shot and get it that way, they have another "benevolent" offering for you!

No Nephilim can be redeemed. The Ashkenazi are of the lineage of Esau, God hates them.
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You were duped Lees. God is no racist, He hates sin and hates when people look upon the fathers of the faith as if in / with shame. They are above and teach us. Ham showed disdain for his father. A fault in Ham's character is revealed in his son. Just as Adam and Eve's fault in character was revealed in Cain. The point is the fallen nature would not be redeemed until the Messiah. Men simply wrestle with the fallen nature. Even the patriarchs had faults, it isn't by their faults they are justified but by their faith. Ham's actions showed his lack of faith.

Christ has come, He puts sin under foot, no sin or curse applies against his children. The curse was upon one, not because of pigment but rather because of the shameful action of Ham. Just as it is among people like you because of your shameful action of racism. You put a blanket ( label) of shame upon people because you don't like the way they look/what they represent. The shame was only in Ham not Noah. Your racism is passed down to your children so forth and so on and is a curse.
The curse is ( Racism) it was the issue the Canaanites had against God's people. Proof that God doesn't tolerate racism is in the account of what God did to Miriam when she was against Mose's second wife who was a Cushite.

Racism is a curse; it is the embarrassment and shame for how people look. With the false interpretation of the Noah curse, men have justified the subjugation of darker race peoples.

It is a sinful white man's fallacy in hate, that has been propagated for generations after the flood. Many blacks too propagated it. It is called Black Relativism. It justifies all in the name of pigment rather than character. Every race on the planet has been guilty of it throughout fallen human history. It is the motivation of many conquests, to be the superior race. That is why Christ had a polished bronze complexion for His Incarnate body. It puts to bed white supremacy and black relativism. White Europe has whitewashed Him for that same reason-racism! However, His color, which comes from the blend of both, is polished bronze=golden brown and puts to rest white supremacy and black relativism.

Racism sucks! It puts brother against brother and replaces love with hate. It perpetrates despicable acts against races you deem inferior! The haters will be outside of the gates of heaven where will be the grinding and gnashing of teeth!

The only thing not redeemable among races, is the Nephilim Marker, God knows who has it. He will remove them by His own hand. Wrath of the Lamb! Jesus's complexion is revealed in the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation.
 
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As usual, you rant and don't respond to my post #(61) which was a response to your empty claim that I didn't know prophecy. I gave you credible testimony from Christian theologians who verify what I have said.

You, however, give nothing but your rant. You make false accusations that I am a Mason but cannot prove it. You make false accusations that I don't know prophecy, yet you have nothing to prove it.

In other words, your opinion means nothing if you can't verify on nothing but 'you'.

So, based on the sources I provided you, (Gen. 9:24-27) is a prophecy and the three sons of Noah's descendants are affected by that prophecy.

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Gives new meaning to the Parable of the Wheat 🌾 and Tares. The enemy comes in and sows weeds among the Wheat. The wheat is humans and a 🧬 tare has been sown in. They will grow among the wheat- humanity until the genetic modifications are complete. Then the Harvest.

The humans with the tare (that which rips or tears you away from God permanently) will be gathered at this end of age and come against all who are pure in God.

It will be those when the Lord said " two will be working in a field ( field of work those with degrees in their fields) one will be taken (the one with the tare) and one will be left behind ( the one fired for rejecting the evil one's tare). Two will grinding at the millstone ( various hard labor jobs) one will be taken and one will be left behind ( same outcome the one taken in by the agenda will be brought somewhere soon,) Two will be sleeping in a bed ( one will be taken and one will be left behind). The apostles ask, " Where Lord, where are they taken?" The Lord answers "Where the vultures gather there is the corpse. Some bibles say eagle, either way they are the flesh eaters. Hi superman😉 A God winks moment.

Many did not see the signs of the times especially so called shepherds. They all slept on the Rock- Christ. Until being startled awake by a fallen angel agenda!

Further, the survivors of the shot who are healthy ( I use that term loosely) are the chosen of guided evolution. They are the property of the system. They will be separated from the wheat and bound into bundles to be burned. They will evolve into haters of the pure bloods and are Nephilim. It is better to be left behind than brought into government citizenry Gog and Magog.
They will even bring you into their bunkers. Those culled = killed by the depop ones peppered among the Nephilim gold star shot, well they actually bit the bullet, if had faith, they went to heaven because the genetic reassembly did not happen.

The evil ones can't use their AI effectively when the earth is too populated. You would think they would see they aren't little gods nor is Lucifer. His form of omnipresence is AI.

There is actually a Bill put before Congress years back, about "when a person is considered government property", It is when that person has no human rights because you are a GMO person/ you are not considered human. Look into it.
 

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@Hadassah

As usual, you rant and don't respond to my post #(61) which was a response to your empty claim that I didn't know prophecy. I gave you credible testimony from Christian theologians who verify what I have said.

You, however, give nothing but your rant. You make false accusations that I am a Mason but cannot prove it. You make false accusations that I don't know prophecy, yet you have nothing to prove it.

In other words, your opinion means nothing if you can't verify on nothing but 'you'.

So, based on the sources I provided you, (Gen. 9:24-27) is a prophecy and the three sons of Noah's descendants are affected by that prophecy.

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Truth is verification of its own. You call God a racist, claim some kind of white supremacy, that contradicts scripture, Moses condemns you, the Wisdom of Solomon, whose greatest love for the Shulammite, condemns you, and a greater than Solomon has come and is here in Him condemning your doctrine. The fact that blacks were on the Ark, condemns you with all your craftly formulated bull 🐂 red heffer herrings. Facts!
 

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Gives new meaning to the Parable of the Wheat 🌾 and Tares. The enemy comes in and sows weeds among the Wheat. The wheat is humans and a 🧬 tare has been sown in. They will grow among the wheat- humanity until the genetic modifications are complete. Then the Harvest.

The humans with the tare (that which rips or tears you away from God permanently) will be gathered at this end of age and come against all who are pure in God.

It will be those when the Lord said " two will be working in a field ( field of work those with degrees in their fields) one will be taken (the one with the tare) and one will be left behind ( the one fired for rejecting the evil one's tare). Two will grinding at the millstone ( various hard labor jobs) one will be taken and one will be left behind ( same outcome the one taken in by the agenda will be brought somewhere soon,) Two will be sleeping in a bed ( one will be taken and one will be left behind). The apostles ask, " Where Lord, where are they taken?" The Lord answers "Where the vultures gather there is the corpse. Some bibles say eagle, either way they are the flesh eaters. Hi superman😉 A God winks moment.

Many did not see the signs of the times especially so called shepherds. They all slept on the Rock- Christ. Until being startled awake by a fallen angel agenda!

Further, the survivors of the shot who are healthy ( I use that term loosely) are the chosen of guided evolution. They are the property of the system. They will be separated from the wheat and bound into bundles to be burned. They will evolve into haters of the pure bloods and are Nephilim. It is better to be left behind than brought into government citizenry Gog and Magog.
They will even bring you into their bunkers. Those culled = killed by the depop ones peppered among the Nephilim gold star shot, well they actually bit the bullet, if had faith, they went to heaven because the genetic reassembly did not happen.

The evil ones can't use their AI effectively when the earth is too populated. You would think they would see they aren't little gods nor is Lucifer. His form of omnipresence is AI.

There is actually a Bill put before Congress years back, about "when a person is considered government property", It is when that person has no human rights because you are a GMO person/ you are not considered human. Look into it.
" He will honor in himself an alien God, one his fathers have not known"

As Solomon said, no one can say , hey! look this is new, it already existed in the generation before you! There is nothing new under the sun. Just a different name used and applied to fallen angels and their Nephilim ( Alien/ Extraterrestrial). Same smack different day!

Why did a pandemic Bill - Covid-19 Bill have an UFO clause set into it? Requesting the Pentagon to give full disclosure?

Weird.
All things called Alien/ Extraterrestrial are simple malevolent spirits.

Everyone, fell alseep. The Quantum science and biology was revealed in crop circles. " There will be signs on the earth and in the heavens.
 

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The Palestinians who survive all this smack of the Edomites will take part in the inheritance of Abraham. God bless that portion of the remnant. The only ones not coming to the future millennial reign in Christ are the ones who are the murderers. That is including those who support in thought and word the building of Zion with blood. " Anyone who says he hates his brother is a murderer and murderers do not have eternal life!"- Jesus the Christ!
" A litte death doesn't bother me, all salvation is gain by sacrifice" Lees.

Then let the Deicidal Curse remain. May the Lord's blood be upon your head as you said and request.
 

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You said in post #(60) that (Gen. 9:24-27) only affects one person and that I didn't know prophecy. I have given you several credible theologians that disagree with you. #(61) They state plainly that (Gen. 9:24-27) is prophecy and that it affects the physical descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who will repopulate the earth.

It has never been revoked.

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You said in post #(60) that (Gen. 9:24-27) only affects one person and that I didn't know prophecy. I have given you several credible theologians that disagree with you. #(61) They state plainly that (Gen. 9:24-27) is prophecy and that it affects the physical descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who will repopulate the earth.

It has never been revoked.

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Credible? That's simply opinion. They simply say what your itching ears want to hear. I did say it only affected one person. I also explained why Ham's son was cursed, by revealing what Ham's walking in backwards meant. Ham turned his back on the faith of his father.

The curse of servitude did only affect Ham's son. That is the flaw of your racist pandering pastors. My rebuttal is for your racist views and calling Noah and God racist. That's nonsense.

The servitude affected Canaan the man. The land of his namesake would later show no servitude to Shem's God. The rejection of the faith which would build the land of Canaan would have a ripple affect.

Ham nor his son preserved the faith they had come to know by way of Noah. That is why you read,"Blessed be the God of Shem" This is an indication of where both Japheth and Ham stood. Shem had the strongest faith from his line would come the people called Israel. Christ comes from the branch of Shem. Japheth would grow large in faith because of Shem's God. It doesn't say Japheth would remain in Shem's tent but that he would grow large in Shem's tent.

As you know, as Japheth grew in number his offspring went forth and made new lands. We see this with the names of places called what they are in the bible -for his sons. They didn't stay in Shem's tent, the faith was not preserved among Japheth's sons. We get pagans of them too, like the Greeks for instance- steeped in idol worship and false gods.

Japheth didn't stay in the tent of Shem, therefore, Canaan would become a land not in worship of Shem's God. Japheth too, would have much influence over Canaan by not staying in the covenant. Again, it has zero to do with race and everything to do with faith.

When Noah said " May Japheth grow in the tent of Shem" that means Shem stayed in the covenant . He was the one who kept the worship of the one true God alive. Just like Abraham Isaac and Jacob would of Shem's line.

Canaan was to be made a servant not because of race but because the blessing of Noah was not upon him because his father turned his back on the faith. Noah had Ham's heart revealed to him. Nothing is just surface meaning with the actions of Ham described. That faithlessness would be passed down to his son as all religions are. Japheth's sons too, and their offspring, so forth and so on would form pagan cultures. What was said of Japheth-to Japheth, was tentative (get it?) as long as he stayed in the tent of Shem concerning worship. Since his offspring gave rise to other pagan cultures, Canaan's servitude was over because the lands and people simply were all pagans.They did not serve the tent of Shem.

Shem's line is from which the Messiah came. Bottom line, there is only freedom from sin staying in Shem's tent. You can't say all Jews stayed in Shem's tent. The ones who demanded Christ be crucified were the accursed. Regardless of what His death meant for all, it is the ones who followed Christ are who stayed in Shem's tent and are blessed.

The others are about as valuable as pagans are to God. They are cut off from the birthright in blessing and are a curse. Only the Jews who stayed in Shem's faith are blessed. Jesus is the fulfillment of all promises made in every covenant. The promises He speaks are true. All peoples, nations and races are free in Him.
 
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Credible? That's simply opinion. They simply say what your itching ears want to hear. I did say it only affected one person. I also explained why Ham's son was cursed, by revealing what Ham's walking in backwards meant. Ham turned his back on the faith of his father.

The curse of servitude did only affect Ham's son. That is the flaw of your racist pandering pastors. My rebuttal is for your racist views and calling Noah and God racist. That's nonsense.

The servitude affected Canaan the man. The land of his namesake would later show no servitude to Shem's God. The rejection of the faith which would build the land of Canaan would have a ripple affect.

Ham nor his son preserved the faith they had come to know by way of Noah. That is why you read,"Blessed be the God of Shem" This is an indication of where both Japheth and Ham stood. Shem had the strongest faith from his line would come the people called Israel. Christ comes from the branch of Shem. Japheth would grow large in faith because of Shem's God. It doesn't say Japheth would remain in Shem's tent but that he would grow large in Shem's tent.

As you know, as Japheth grew in number his offspring went forth and made new lands. We see this with the names of places called what they are in the bible -for his sons. They didn't stay in Shem's tent, the faith was not preserved among Japheth's sons. We get pagans of them too, like the Greeks for instance- steeped in idol worship and false gods.

Japheth didn't stay in the tent of Shem, therefore, Canaan would become a land not in worship of Shem's God. Japheth too, would have much influence over Canaan by not staying in the covenant. Again, it has zero to do with race and everything to do with faith.

When Noah said " May Japheth grow in the tent of Shem" that means Shem stayed in the covenant . He was the one who kept the worship of the one true God alive. Just like Abraham Isaac and Jacob would of Shem's line.

Canaan was to be made a servant not because of race but because the blessing of Noah was not upon him because his father turned his back on the faith. Noah had Ham's heart revealed to him. Nothing is just surface meaning with the actions of Ham described. That faithlessness would be passed down to his son as all religions are. Japheth's sons too, and their offspring, so forth and so on would form pagan cultures. What was said of Japheth-to Japheth, was tentative (get it?) as long as he stayed in the tent of Shem concerning worship. Since his offspring gave rise to other pagan cultures, Canaan's servitude was over because the lands and people simply were all pagans.They did not serve the tent of Shem.

Shem's line is from which the Messiah came. Bottom line, there is only freedom from sin staying in Shem's tent. You can't say all Jews stayed in Shem's tent. The ones who demanded Christ be crucified were the accursed. Regardless of what His death meant for all, it is the ones who followed Christ are who stayed in Shem's tent and are blessed.

The others are about as valuable as pagans are to God. They are cut off from the birthright in blessing and are a curse. Only the Jews who stayed in Shem's faith are blessed. Jesus is the fulfillment of all promises made in every covenant. The promises He speaks are true. All peoples, nations and races are free in Him.
Now, that it has been established from who's line the ONE TRUE MESSIAH comes, it is clear, that Micah 3 and the building of Zion with blood is unacceptable. As much carnage there is, His Elect will not perish with all this sin and violence of the "violent among Daniel's people".

I don't know who taught Lees this racist hateful doctrine of his, but it is not from the Holy Spirit.

This is what is going to happen before the harvest......
Isaiah 18:

A Message to Cush
…4For this is what the LORD has told me: “I will quietly look on from My dwelling place, like shimmering heat in the sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.” 5For before the harvest, when the blossom is gone and the flower becomes a ripening grape, He will cut off the shoots with a pruning knife and remove and discard the branches. 6They will all be left to the mountain birds of prey, and to the beasts of the land. The birds will feed on them in summer, and all the wild animals in winter.…

To be among the bodies of the slaughtered of the damned isn't good!



John 15:
Jesus the True Vine
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.…

Every denomination ( which are branches in Christ, meaning teach and produce doctrines using His name) will be cut off. That goes for those who go by Messianic too, but do not produce fruit of the Holy Spirit are going to be cut off at this end of the age. Those like me will shine forth even more beautifully because we will not be obscured by nonsense.
 
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Credible? That's simply opinion. They simply say what your itching ears want to hear. I did say it only affected one person. I also explained why Ham's son was cursed, by revealing what Ham's walking in backwards meant. Ham turned his back on the faith of his father.

The curse of servitude did only affect Ham's son. That is the flaw of your racist pandering pastors. My rebuttal is for your racist views and calling Noah and God racist. That's nonsense.

The servitude affected Canaan the man. The land of his namesake would later show no servitude to Shem's God. The rejection of the faith which would build the land of Canaan would have a ripple affect.

Ham nor his son preserved the faith they had come to know by way of Noah. That is why you read,"Blessed be the God of Shem" This is an indication of where both Japheth and Ham stood. Shem had the strongest faith from his line would come the people called Israel. Christ comes from the branch of Shem. Japheth would grow large in faith because of Shem's God. It doesn't say Japheth would remain in Shem's tent but that he would grow large in Shem's tent.

As you know, as Japheth grew in number his offspring went forth and made new lands. We see this with the names of places called what they are in the bible -for his sons. They didn't stay in Shem's tent, the faith was not preserved among Japheth's sons. We get pagans of them too, like the Greeks for instance- steeped in idol worship and false gods.

Japheth didn't stay in the tent of Shem, therefore, Canaan would become a land not in worship of Shem's God. Japheth too, would have much influence over Canaan by not staying in the covenant. Again, it has zero to do with race and everything to do with faith.

When Noah said " May Japheth grow in the tent of Shem" that means Shem stayed in the covenant . He was the one who kept the worship of the one true God alive. Just like Abraham Isaac and Jacob would of Shem's line.

Canaan was to be made a servant not because of race but because the blessing of Noah was not upon him because his father turned his back on the faith. Noah had Ham's heart revealed to him. Nothing is just surface meaning with the actions of Ham described. That faithlessness would be passed down to his son as all religions are. Japheth's sons too, and their offspring, so forth and so on would form pagan cultures. What was said of Japheth-to Japheth, was tentative (get it?) as long as he stayed in the tent of Shem concerning worship. Since his offspring gave rise to other pagan cultures, Canaan's servitude was over because the lands and people simply were all pagans.They did not serve the tent of Shem.

Shem's line is from which the Messiah came. Bottom line, there is only freedom from sin staying in Shem's tent. You can't say all Jews stayed in Shem's tent. The ones who demanded Christ be crucified were the accursed. Regardless of what His death meant for all, it is the ones who followed Christ are who stayed in Shem's tent and are blessed.

The others are about as valuable as pagans are to God. They are cut off from the birthright in blessing and are a curse. Only the Jews who stayed in Shem's faith are blessed. Jesus is the fulfillment of all promises made in every covenant. The promises He speaks are true. All peoples, nations and races are free in Him.

Your whole argument in this post is based on another of your errors in Scripture. Ham didn't walk backwards into the tent. That was Shem and Japheth. Your interpretations are just as made up as your knowledge of Scripture is.

And concerning your reference to (Isaiah 18) and (John 15), in post #(72), they change nothing about the prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27).

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Your whole argument in this post is based on another of your errors in Scripture. Ham didn't walk backwards into the tent. That was Shem and Japheth. Your interpretations are just as made up as your knowledge of Scripture is.

And concerning your reference to (Isaiah 18) and (John 15), in post #(72), they change nothing about the prophecy in (Gen. 9:24-27).

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Not at all, Ham saw his father naked, told his two brothers, they walked in and covered their father. Under whose direction? Ham's.

It's like this, you get directives from someone to do xyz. You do it, because you trust their judgements. You are not pondering anything. Whether it was under false pretense or whatever misunderstanding of the one who charged you to do it, you don't question it because you assume they are right because they are one of your own.

See, Jesus is teaching both of us in this discussion. It's clesr however, I am more receptive to His Spirit than you because He leads me out of any perceived snare you hope to catch me in.

You know I am right concerning those who assume administrative duties . Ham gave the directive to his brothers. Not all is always kosher in Ham, pun intended. That is evident in this story. And denotes something about people who assume positions of power of those among them, they are not qualified for.


I love how Jesus sets people like you up to be slapped down. When awakening who did Noah lay charge against? This is about the heart of the matter! Not Shem, not Japheth, but Ham by cursing his son. Why? Because it was Ham who turned his back on the faith to begin with. Ham is held responsible.

If you do the biding of the one who sent you, the one who sent you did it first. This will lead to a greater understanding of those who actually serve Christ and those who get directives from those who don't.

You simply project his thoughts. There is no aha gotcha! moment for me by you. This always leads to deeper understanding of the written word. It is to lead you to ask the questions you do and make the assertions you make. That I may grow wiser in the faith. Though I said something you perceive to be false I am still shown to be right. Think about it? I always in my Lord come out shining!

You follow those who assume authoritative positions over scripture. You call them accredited theologians. You do what they tell you because you are among them and share a religious sentiment with them. It is because of what they said, that you do and act as you do. They are doing things through you , their heart is revealed through your actions. It is just like they did it. On the flip in the positive, Christ did the work of the Father. Hence, those who see the Son see the Father. It is the same concept for all administrations, good or bad. You see the work of the one who tells you, sends you, orders it. Hence, Ham is charged with it!

What you do and say is under the directive of another. Just like what happened to Shem a Japheth. Hence, why you perpetuate the lie of false pastors. You do what you are told even if you do not understand the heart of the matter.

Prove that wrong? Ham was charged because the sin was Ham's. I can't write a book for you. You are being lead into discussion and always proven wrong. Who is your teacher? Your teacher has been charged.

Now prove you are not doing and acting according to what you were told. Show me now how I am wrong and your Ham is right?
 
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I am going to be straight up with everyone. I read all of Genesis. However, I have not read all the opinion pieces formulated from it. This 'Race Theory' one was new to me. It kind of shook me to my core. It was so uncompassionate and full of hate, almost convincing! I questioned it because I know God is not a racist and is merciful and gracious.

Thank you Lees for presenting it. Greater than that, thank you Lord for the way you chose to teach me about it. Thank you for the ebb and flow of it, the tit- for- tat as if in a classroom where students debate and try to grasp for answers. Thank you for using it as a teaching method.

Thank you for you patience and tender mercy in allowing me to never fall from grace. You delivered me from this battle and allowed me to be victorious. All glory to Yeshua!

Your method of teaching is suspenseful and fun. I never know where you will lead me. One thing is for certain, these discussion always lead to undeniable Truths that your enemies cannot prove wrong! Blessed be the God of Shem, my God!
 
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The Noahide Laws of Talmudic Jews is the basis for this prophetess jezebel doctrine sprinkled among the Protestant denomination and their many sects. They cause people to spiritually fornicate against God with those who loathe God and His Christ. They eat of the doctrine of devils, of things sacrificed to their idols ( false teachers). Those who have a name of being alive - Born Again, Evangelical, Presbyterian, Messianic.... etc.... perpetrate these doctrines. Those who fornicate with this lying doctrine of the the (Violent among Daniel's people) embraced by its so-called- Christian counterparts - Evangelicals....etc..,are thrown upon a SICK bed of doctrines and will be punished with death.

Jewish believers should not tolerate this prophetess jezebel. I do not!
 

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More smoke. And lies. There is nothing to indicate Ham instructed Shem and Japheth to walk backwards. So, you once again begin with a lie. This makes all your so called 'interpretation' worthless.

No, what is new to you is the authority of Scripture. You have proven over and over that Scripture is not your authority. You have proven that you don't know the Scriptures. Which is why you claim some ignorance on peoples opinions. How silly. Your ignorance comes from not knowing the Bible. Yet you love to sound off on what you don't know. And then never admit your error which makes your error a lie.

No need to thank me. I'm always glad to reveal error and lies.

Oh gee, you say 'blessed by the God of Shem'. What happened to Ham? What happened to Japheth?

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@Hadassah

More smoke. And lies. There is nothing to indicate Ham instructed Shem and Japheth to walk backwards. So, you once again begin with a lie. This makes all your so called 'interpretation' worthless.

No, what is new to you is the authority of Scripture. You have proven over and over that Scripture is not your authority. You have proven that you don't know the Scriptures. Which is why you claim some ignorance on peoples opinions. How silly. Your ignorance comes from not knowing the Bible. Yet you love to sound off on what you don't know. And then never admit your error which makes your error a lie.

No need to thank me. I'm always glad to reveal error and lies.

Oh gee, you say 'blessed by the God of Shem'. What happened to Ham? What happened to Japheth?

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Lol! Yet they went to the tent after he told them. Yet Noah laid the charge upon Ham. Yeah! I know it! There is no indication🙄????

Think about it, what you say makes Noah look like a crazed, heartless spiteful person. God as well. The funny thing is, there is no indication what color Ham was or Canaan. The name ' Ham' in hebrew etymology means 'warm' in Egyptian, it means 'burnt' or ' black'. Either way, this may not even be an indication of skin color, but a state of his soul. We hear about lukewarmness all the time, and a different blackness, that relates to the soul. So, come again? Your argument is full of assumptions.

So back attcha! The indication for you and the ilk you follow, the opinion is from a racist heart. The fact of the matter is, my opinion must be correct becsuse it doesn't contradict Moses, like Miriam did, nor Solomon who before Christ came, was considered the wisest of his people, past and/or present of his time. It upholds the ( Double Portion) of Joseph in his son's Menassah and Ephraim. They would be too dark for you. The Ethiopian Jew can trace his lineage directly to Solomon. No other Jew can for sure do that. They would have to compare their 🧬 to the Black Ethiopian Jew because all the records that listed heritage were destroyed with the second temple in 70 AD. Ethiopian Jew too, represents the Double Portion.

Point, what I say doesn't contradict the character of God. It supports all the patriarchs and most and foremost proves the supremacy of the NC. I am 100% right and God is no racist. He doesn't create races to hate them.

He does make pronouncements about certain people though, like Esau, knowing what they are and will do m, before they even can think to do it. In Esau came forth an offspring He would hate for generations to the last one, who is among the last generation who loves God. Esau's Nephilim offspring will not share in promise.
 
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Lol! Yet they went to the tent after he told them. Yet Noah laid the charge upon Ham. Yeah! I know it! There is no indication🙄????

Think about, what you say makes Noah look like a crazed, heartless spiteful person. God as well. The funny thing is, there is no indication what color Ham was or Canaan. The name ' Ham' in hebrew etymology means 'warm' in Egyptian, it means 'burnt' or ' black'. Either way, this may not even be an indication of skin color, but a state of his soul. We hear about lukewarmness all the time, and a different blackness, that relates to the soul. So, come again? Your argument is full of assumptions.

So back attcha! The indication for you and the ilk you follow, the opinion is from a racist heart. The fact of the matter is, my opinion must be correct becsuse it doesn't contradict Moses, like Miriam did, nor Solomon who before Christ came, was considered the wisest of his people, past and/or present of his time. It upholds the ( Double Portion) of Joseph in his son's Menassah and Ephraim. They would be too dark for you. The Ethiopian Jew can trace his lineage directly to Solomon. No other Jew can for sure do that. They would have to compare their 🧬 to the Black Ethiopian Jew because all the records that listed heritage were destroyed with the second temple in 70 AD. Ethiopian Jew too, represents the Double Portion.

Point, what I say doesn't contradict the character of God. It supports all the patriarchs and most and foremost proves the supremacy of the NC. I am 100% right and God is no racist. He doesn't create races to hate them.

He does make pronouncements about certain people though, like Esau, knowing what they are and will do m, before they even can think to do it. In Esau came forth an offspring He would hate for generations to the last one, who is among the last generation who loves God. Esau's Nephilim offspring will not share in promise.
Since, what would come to be known as Egypt/Egyptian wouldn't rise up until Noah's sons began to make kingdoms by way of their offspring, and it wouldn't be until the Tower of Babel that different languages would emerge, I'm going with 'Ham' means 'WARM' according to the Hebrew etymology and not the Egyptian.

I hate racism like God does. The same haters of race will use an Egyptian etymology ( IF ) it supports their racist opinion, and forego the Hebrew. Things that make you go 🤔 hmmm. Talk about formulating doctrine according to the spirit of (whiteness) supremacy from a blackened heart.
 

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Propecy being fulfilled. " Desolation is decreed to the end " " Jacob will chase Teman/Bibi to the border". Teman will be killed! Won't see this on Fox news. So far you have learned when a nation named after the patriarch Jacob came to be. Prior to that there was only a people whom God called Israel. They are to be displaced until the defeat of and end of the Edomite. Amos speaks of the trap set for them with the Nation State established by Esau's offspring. Aha! God gotcha!

 
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