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Supported by the people who endlessly chant their mantra of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear". That worked really well for Jean Charles de Menezes.

The mobs desire safety and security more than privacy and freedom. It is easier to manipulate public opinion when you know what people are doing and thinking because you watch then constantly.
 

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The mobs desire safety and security more than privacy and freedom. It is easier to manipulate public opinion when you know what people are doing and thinking because you watch then constantly.

The trouble is that the mobs expect Someone Else to provide that safety and security, when the Someone Else in question really doesn't care about them. They look to Nanny State to protect them only to become enslaved.
 

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The trouble is that the mobs expect Someone Else to provide that safety and security, when the Someone Else in question really doesn't care about them. They look to Nanny State to protect them only to become enslaved.

Not a nanny. The state is an oppressor once it becomes big enough
 

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Not a nanny. The state is an oppressor once it becomes big enough

I agree entirely, but the masses genuinely seem to believe that Nanny State not only can but will protect them from harm.

I remember riding the trains into central London in the days following a terrorist attack on the trains in Spain, where day after day after day we were treated to the same announcement that "following terror attacks in Spain the train company was doing everything it could to keep us safe". It was pretty clear that "doing everything they could do" was pretty much synonymous with "doing nothing" simply because there is no viable way of securing a mass transit system short of introducing security controls so intrusive the system would effectively be shut down. Can you imagine airport style security screening before being allowed to get on a system like the London Underground or the New York Subway?

But what usually happens is every time something nasty happens the masses start screaming for Nanny State to protect them from it, willing to give up their freedoms in exchange for the illusion of security, and then wonder what happened when it all goes wrong. And, of course, along the way anyone who objects to ever-more intrusive surveillance is accused of having something to hide, because that's the only reason the masses can think of that people wouldn't be willing to let Nanny State watch them in the name of increased safety for all.

Trying to flip the argument around into "what am I accused of doing, that requires my every move to be watched?" kind of question sometimes works, but often seems to get howled down in another deluge of "nothing to hide, nothing to fear". It reminds me of the "four legs good, two legs bad" of Animal Farm.
 

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Some of it, yes, certainly we do seem (in the west) to be creating a surveillance state so although we have no immortal big brother and no one party state we do have eyes watching far more than is good for us.
And ears listening all the time as well
 

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You really need to learn about the NSA and their ability to pick up phone calls and so much more
 

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Its a world burden if you dont believe that then ask Angela merkel
 

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You really need to learn about the NSA and their ability to pick up phone calls and so much more

They can still only pick up sound if a microphone is available
 

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They listen in around the world
 

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They listen in around the world

But they can still only listen to something captured by a microphone of some description.
 

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Not so sure about that given amplifiers that can pick up conversation from a pane of glass, satellites that can read a newspaper from space, I would not put anything past them
 

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Not so sure about that given amplifiers that can pick up conversation from a pane of glass, satellites that can read a newspaper from space, I would not put anything past them

The amplifier still needs some form of microphone.
 

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I guess you could say that
 
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