Notre Dame Cathedral Burns Down

[YourTruthGod]

You do know that the sanctuary - also called the tabernacle - was a tent and not the temple, right?

You don't know that it is believed that Solomon had it built according to the tabernacle?

 

[Josiah]

Where is the appropriate place on this site for a debate about Catholicism?

We don't really debate denominations per se here...

We do discuss doctrines and practices.

IF you have a specific doctrine to discuss, you may present it in either Christian doctrine or in Speculative Theology (depending on what it is and how you want it discussed; staff can help you). My recommendation is that you state the doctrine (you mentioned Catholicism; it is especially easy in this regard since its theology is well summerized in its Catechism). Then you can relate why you agree or disagree.... and see where the discussion goes. You will get further (and avoid talks from the Staff) if you only discuss the doctrine and not anyone participating in the thread (whether they are "for" or "against").

You are wrong.

It seems you didn't read what you posted. Nor did you note what question you asked that I replied to.


Since you claim my answer is "wrong," prove that. Show me how my reply is contrary to the polity of this website.

I wasn't asking you or imaginary.

You have two choices:


1. Prove that the answer I gave to your question is "wrong" as you stated; contrary to the polity of this website.

2. Repent. You talk a LOT about repentance and how important it is, although you certainly don't model it and haven't never done that here.


Your public declaration is that the answer I gave is "WRONG." Either prove it or seek forgiveness for misspeaking.


I could post much more by way of positive, constructive counsel to help you here, but I suspect that would be in vain and twisted inside out.




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[MoreCoffee]

You don't know that it is believed that Solomon had it built according to the tabernacle?

Solomon wasn't Moses and didn't see the pattern in the heavens.

 

[psalms 91]

God gave David the pattern and Solomon built it so was it man or God?

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

Okay, so now we have two potential new threads about the Catholic church and the Tabernacle. Shall we start them and leave this one to the topic please? Some of us might actually care about "that building" burning

 

[YourTruthGod]

You have two choices:


1. Prove that the answer I gave to your question is "wrong" as you stated; contrary to the polity of this website.

2. Repent. You talk a LOT about repentance and how important it is, although you certainly don't model it and haven't never done that here.


Your public declaration is that the answer I gave is "WRONG." Either prove it or seek forgiveness for misspeaking.


I could post much more by way of positive, constructive counsel to help you here, but I suspect that would be in vain and twisted inside out.




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Just listen to yourself. You don't have the kindness that Christians are supposed to have. You and the others have been rude to me and now you are derailing threads after you scolded me.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

...and now you are derailing threads after you scolded me.

^^^which, in itself, is a derail. It seems you have taken issue with some of the members of the site. Here is a good place to address these concerns - any conversations you have there are confidential between yourself and the admins and they will be more than happy to hear you out and resolve any problems:

Member/Admin Center

 

[tango]

There is quite a difference between a specific church as a historic building and the denomination that happens to be associated with the church.

Architecture and history don't have to be tied to a denomination or even to a church to be valued. Quite aside from the loss of human life, I'm sure I wasn't the only one saddened by the loss of the twin towers of the World Trade Center. They have no religious significance at all but having seen them from the bottom (I didn't go to the top because the lines were long and I figured I could always go back another visit) I thought they were beautiful and was sad when they were destroyed. Likewise Notre Dame Cathedral was beautiful and it is sad that so much of it has been destroyed. I can appreciate the architecture and the history, and feel sad at the loss of it, without necessarily believing in every part of what the building represents.

 

[psalms 91]

There is quite a difference between a specific church as a historic building and the denomination that happens to be associated with the church.

Architecture and history don't have to be tied to a denomination or even to a church to be valued. Quite aside from the loss of human life, I'm sure I wasn't the only one saddened by the loss of the twin towers of the World Trade Center. They have no religious significance at all but having seen them from the bottom (I didn't go to the top because the lines were long and I figured I could always go back another visit) I thought they were beautiful and was sad when they were destroyed. Likewise Notre Dame Cathedral was beautiful and it is sad that so much of it has been destroyed. I can appreciate the architecture and the history, and feel sad at the loss of it, without necessarily believing in every part of what the building represents.

Well said and I agree that it is a tragic loss

 

[Lamb]

Well you are playing favoritism for sure, which is not right. You put down a new member who gives a lot of time here. I haven't heard you publicly tell some of the people here to watch how they talk to me.

I will leave this site because I will not tolerate the way you treat me. This isn't the first time I have been treated wrongly by you.

I'm an Admin doing my job here. Use the report button if you feel that someone has violated the rules but you better be very specific when making accusations on this site! So far you've made claims with no back up for proof. So if you leave that's your choice but don't play the part of the victim.

 

[Josiah]

In California, we have a series of "Missions" . They were founded by Franciscan Missionaries when California was still a part of Spain.

The history involved with these is ... well... contraversial ... but there is no doubt that they are very important in the history of this area. Californians take great interest in them (they are popular tourist attractions) and they are all treasured historical features. Christians (including non-Catholics) embrace them as well as mission stations that converted the Indians to the Christian faith, which many Christians think was a good thing.

Most went into ruin during the Mexican era but not too long after California became a part of the USA, Abraham Lincoln returned them (just in ruins) to the Catholic Church. Shortly most were restored - with funding from the people of California, including MANY who were not Catholics. Today, nearly all are active Catholic parishes. They all receive some funding from the State of California as historic buildings and donations from Californians, many of whom are not Catholics.

Frankly, I think it simply wise to realize that MUCH of the history of Europe and the Americas has DEEP influence from the church. Embracing that is not embracing the Truth of Christianity, per se, but it is embracing HISTORY.


Personally, I will not be donating toward the estimated 8 billion dollars to restore this treasure. BUT I hope the money is raised, and I hope a significant amount of that comes from the French government (but I doubt it; France is very socialist and leftist). NOT because Christianity is necessarily True but because history and art matters and enriches.

 

[MoreCoffee]

In California, we have a series of "Missions" . They were founded by Franciscan Missionaries when California was still a part of Spain.

Was California not a part of Mexico which in turn was part of Spanish new world territories and kingdoms?

The California territory was taken illegally by force of arms and illegal USA people immigrating into Mexican lands.

The history involved with these is ... well... controversial ... but there is no doubt that they are very important in the history of this area. Californians take great interest in them (they are popular tourist attractions) and they are all treasured historical features. Christians (including non-Catholics) embrace them as well as mission stations that converted the Indians to the Christian faith, which many Christians think was a good thing.

Most went into ruin during the Mexican era but not too long after California became a part of the USA, Abraham Lincoln returned them (just in ruins) to the Catholic Church. Shortly most were restored - with funding from the people of California, including MANY who were not Catholics. Today, nearly all are active Catholic parishes. They all receive some funding from the State of California as historic buildings and donations from Californians, many of whom are not Catholics.

Frankly, I think it simply wise to realize that MUCH of the history of Europe and the Americas has DEEP influence from the church. Embracing that is not embracing the Truth of Christianity, per se, but it is embracing HISTORY.


Personally, I will not be donating toward the estimated 8 billion dollars to restore this treasure. BUT I hope the money is raised, and I hope a significant amount of that comes from the French government (but I doubt it; France is very socialist and leftist). NOT because Christianity is necessarily True but because history and art matters and enriches.