Mother of God

[MoreCoffee]

Can you please direct me to Scripture that refers to Jesus of Nazareth as God the specifically? Thank you.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

The first chapter the gospel according to saint John. "No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known." (John 1:18)

 

[popsthebuilder]

The first chapter the gospel according to saint John. "No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known." (John 1:18)

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

That doesn't say anything along the lines of GOD the Son. It simply states that no one has seen God the Father and although Jesus was of God and His Son even he only declared him. Declaring God to exist and declaring to be God are two different things

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[Josiah]

John 20:28 says my Lord and my God.

So, Jesus may be called specifically "God." When Thomas did, Jesus did not correct him, Jesus did not condemn him of sin, Jesus did not reject the title as blasphemy. Jesus actually seems to praise it.


So, which of the two things this title affirms do you reject/deny/repudiate: Jesus may be called "God" or Mary bore him? Or do you repudiate both?




- Josiah

 

[Alithis]

So, Jesus may be called specifically "God." When Thomas did, Jesus did not correct him, Jesus did not condemn him of sin, Jesus did not reject the title as blasphemy. Jesus actually seems to praise it.


So, which of the two things this title affirms do you reject/deny/repudiate: Jesus may be called "God" or Mary bore him? Or do you repudiate both?




- Josiah

he repudiaters nither .. mary bore forth the "son" .. the manifestation of God in the flesh .. she did not bear forth "GOD"

the word of God came forth fro the heart of god and became flesh .. she bore forth the flesh .. Not the eternal God who has no beginning .

the big question is .. Who do you intend to defend ?Who do you desire to glorify .. for if its the lord Jesus ..then well and good .. but if it is mary ..then that is idolatry .

why is it so important to you that you elevate mary ? in opposition to the scriptures .

 

[popsthebuilder]

Josiah,
The point is Jesus the son of God ask d people repeatedly not to speak of his miracles. He did so in hopes that people would focus on his teachings as opposed to worshiping him as GOD when he was a man. He did so for this specific reason.

The son of God was and is God upon the resurrection and not before as a he had a choice to not be crusified and go against what the Father needed him to do for our sake. Of course you can refer to the Lord as God now; he isn't man anymore. As far as Mary is conserned; she was blessed by God to carry and bear the salvation of all existence on earth. To say she was the mother of the Christ is accurate. To say she bore the son of God is accurate. To say that she bore GOD is misleading and inaccurate, and impossible for me personally to grasp as GOD is of the spirit and flesh cannot bear pure spirit as far as I am concerned. This confusion may not technically be considered blasphemous, yet none the less will be damning for some(traditional Roman Catholics)
unless they claim there error and change it.

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[Alithis]

So, in John 20:28 (etc.), is Jesus being called "GOD" or not? Is the Jesus who stood before Thomas "in the flesh" or not?

the odd thing about this and the insinuation of wrong in asking if thomas was blaspheming ..is that thomas was speaking of the lord JEsus ..himself . not of mary .

the lord jesus himself said upon the cross .."my God my God why have you forsaken me " so was he denying who he was ...? no because he remains the word of God who came forth from God he was with God and was before all things .. but at the moment he became flesh his flesh had a beginning .. mary is the woman who was the chosen vehicle by which the invisible God became visible flesh . she is the mother of that flesh man .... but not of God most high who has no beginning and no end .

so again.. why the inane drive to glorify come one the scripture does not tell us to glorify and sates that the lord JEsus alone is to be praised ?

 

[George]

I can't seem to find a good place to jump in. Darnit Alithis.

 

[Josiah]

the odd thing about this and the insinuation of wrong in asking if thomas was blaspheming ..is that thomas was speaking of the lord JEsus ..himself .

Yes. And what did Thomas call JESUS? Was it "God?" Did Jesus repudiate him? Correct him? Condemn him of blasphemy for calling Him that? Did He actually praise Thomas for that?

IMO, the Bible clearly teaches that Mary bore this one who Thomas called "God" (and Jesus praised him for it).

Ergo....




Thank you.


- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

That doesn't say anything along the lines of GOD the Son. It simply states that no one has seen God the Father and although Jesus was of God and His Son even he only declared him. Declaring God to exist and declaring to be God are two different things

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I quoted from the New Revised Standard Version and it says, "No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known." (John 1:18) I'll stick with the better translation based on better manuscripts.

Do you oppose the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity?

 

[popsthebuilder]

I quoted from the New Revised Standard Version and it says, "No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart, who has made him known." (John 1:18) I'll stick with the better translation based on better manuscripts.

Do you oppose the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity?

As in better do you mean further manipulation guises as understanding and revision?

I do not adhere to the traditional trinity. As it puts man as equal to God in my sight. And because of that is wrong.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Did the Son of God plead to God prior to his death? Or did God please to God prior to his death which is impossible because he's God and will never die?

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[MoreCoffee]

As in better do you mean further manipulation guises as understanding and revision?

I do not adhere to the traditional trinity. As it puts man as equal to God in my sight. And because of that is wrong.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I see, is that why your faith icon is now showing as 'agnostic'?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Did the Son of God plead to God prior to his death? Or did God [plead] to God prior to his death which is impossible because he's God and will never die?

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Perhaps you want to discuss the blessed trinity in the non-christian theology forum. This forum is, I believe, intended for discussions within the confines set by the Nicene Creed.

If you start a new thread in the other place I will, God willing, participate.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Perhaps you want to discuss the blessed trinity in the non-christian theology forum. This forum is, I believe, intended for discussions within the confines set by the Nicene Creed.

If you start a new thread in the other place I will, God willing, participate.

Likewise, Sir.

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[popsthebuilder]

Could any traditional Catholics please answer any of my previous posts that were posted either today or yesterday or the day before? Thank you.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I see, is that why your faith icon is now showing as 'agnostic'?

Cute. No I cannot access my settings I'm using Tapatalk on a phone I put agnostic because at the time I wasn't 100% clear of what agnostic was or what my beliefs were I grow and change daily my understanding grows and changes with me. Agnostic is not correct if there was a spot for truly faithful then that is the one I would have picked. Thank you.

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[MoreCoffee]

Cute. No I cannot access my settings I'm using Tapatalk on a phone I put agnostic because at the time I wasn't 100% clear of what agnostic was or what my beliefs were I grow and change daily my understanding grows and changes with me. Agnostic is not correct if there was a spot for truly faithful then that is the one I would have picked. Thank you.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

What will be the basis of your decisions on what is true?

 

[popsthebuilder]

What will be the basis of your decisions on what is true?

Scripture and direction under God and faith in that direction and in God.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Scripture and direction under God and faith in that direction and in God.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Good choice to use holy scripture. Do you have anybody to discuss matters with in face to face conversations?

 

[Alithis]

Yes. And what did Thomas call JESUS? Was it "God?" Did Jesus repudiate him? Correct him? Condemn him of blasphemy for calling Him that? Did He actually praise Thomas for that?

IMO, the Bible clearly teaches that Mary bore this one who Thomas called "God" (and Jesus praised him for it).

Ergo....




Thank you.


- Josiah

ergo nothing lol .... mary was not an issue not even a topic . no one in that jewish setting would dare to call her mother of God .. theyd get stoned ..
after all the lord jesus spoke making himself equal to the father when he referred to himself as "I AM " and they tried to stone him . how much more if they starting calling mary the mother of God .