MATTHEW 25:31 SHEEP AND GOATS

[Doug]

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

This is the Lord Jesus Christ coming to establish the prophetic, Davidic kingdom promised to the Israel of God, the little flock. Jesus will sit and reign on David's throne. Luke 12:32 Luke 1:32 Isaiah 9:7 Psalm 22:28

25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

This is the judgement of the nations after the tribulation. All the nations will be gathered before him. He will seperate the nations as being sheep or goats.

25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The nations, the sheep that blessed Israel in the tribulation, will enter the kingdom along with the righteous remnant of Israel. Israel will be a light to the Gentiles for salvation. Isaiah 49:6 Isaiah 2:2 Matthew 25:35

25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Arsenios]

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

This is the Lord Jesus Christ coming to establish the prophetic, Davidic kingdom promised to the Israel of God, the little flock. Jesus will sit and reign on David's throne. Luke 12:32 Luke 1:32 Isaiah 9:7 Psalm 22:28

25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

This is the judgement of the nations after the tribulation. All the nations will be gathered before him. He will seperate the nations as being sheep or goats.

25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The nations, the sheep that blessed Israel in the tribulation, will enter the kingdom along with the righteous remnant of Israel. Israel will be a light to the Gentiles for salvation. Isaiah 49:6 Isaiah 2:2 Matthew 25:35

25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

This is why the Good News Gospel is:

Repent...
For the Kingdom of the Heavens...
Is at hand!


Arsenios

 

[Lamb]

This is why the Good News Gospel is:

Repent...
For the Kingdom of the Heavens...
Is at hand!


Arsenios

You don't preach forgiveness of sins as being the Gospel?

 

[Doug]

This is why the Good News Gospel is:

Repent...
For the Kingdom of the Heavens...
Is at hand!


Arsenios

Hello

Yes that is good news but not in this dispensation.... at this time our gospel is Christ shed his blood for the forgiveness of all our sin, he died for our sins, he was our substitute to pay for the penalty of our sins, and he rose again for our justification to declare us righteous to impute his righteousness to us.

 

[Arsenios]

You don't preach forgiveness of sins as being the Gospel?

John the Baptist proclaimed the Gospel...

Christ proclaimed the identical Gospel after John was murdered...

Peter proclaimed the same Gospel after Christ was crucified...

And now we are to IMPROVE on that Gospel of Repentance?

Do you not understand that repentance is UNTO forgiveness of sins?

That Baptism into Christ is not for the unrepentant?


Arsenios

 

[Arsenios]

Hello

Yes that is good news but not in this dispensation.... at this time our gospel is Christ shed his blood for the forgiveness of all our sin, he died for our sins, he was our substitute to pay for the penalty of our sins, and he rose again for our justification to declare us righteous to impute his righteousness to us.

Repentance is unto Baptism into Christ's Death on the Cross...

"Know ye not, Brethren, that we are Baptized into Christ's Death?"

Paul's very words...


Arsenios

 

[YourTruthGod]

John the Baptist proclaimed the Gospel...

Christ proclaimed the identical Gospel after John was murdered...

Peter proclaimed the same Gospel after Christ was crucified...

And now we are to IMPROVE on that Gospel of Repentance?

Do you not understand that repentance is UNTO forgiveness of sins?

That Baptism into Christ is not for the unrepentant?


Arsenios

Paul preached repent of sins too.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Acts 17:30 Therefore, although God has overlooked such times of ignorance, he now commands all people everywhere to repent,

Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

 

[YourTruthGod]

You don't preach forgiveness of sins as being the Gospel?

Repent first then receive forgiveness of sins.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Hello

Yes that is good news but not in this dispensation.... at this time our gospel is Christ shed his blood for the forgiveness of all our sin, he died for our sins, he was our substitute to pay for the penalty of our sins, and he rose again for our justification to declare us righteous to impute his righteousness to us.

Jesus is the good news. He preached to have faith and believe in him for the forgiveness of sins. Did you want him to die first then preach that?

 

[Lamb]

Repent first then receive forgiveness of sins.

You can only receive that forgiveness after repenting because it was won at the cross.

 

[Lamb]

John the Baptist proclaimed the Gospel...

Christ proclaimed the identical Gospel after John was murdered...

Peter proclaimed the same Gospel after Christ was crucified...

And now we are to IMPROVE on that Gospel of Repentance?

Do you not understand that repentance is UNTO forgiveness of sins?

That Baptism into Christ is not for the unrepentant?


Arsenios

So you don't believe that our sins were forgiven at the cross?

 

[YourTruthGod]

You can only receive that forgiveness after repenting because it was won at the cross.

If a person doesn't repent of their sins, then what?

 

[MoreCoffee]

If a person doesn't repent of their sins, then what?

My guess is that people who do not repent are likely to experience several things:

• They will probably do the same thing again the thing that they ought to have repented for.
• They are likely not to feel much empathy for anyone adversely affected by whatever they did that ought to be repented
• They may not be forgiven - but that depends on who they did wrong to because some folk forgive even when the wrongdoer is not sorry for the wrong that they did
• They may get into trouble for whatever wrongs they did but that could happen even if they did repent

I've avoided implying that they will be punished by God or go to hell or any such thing because that is not my call and it isn't even very clear in the holy scriptures.

 

[YourTruthGod]

My guess is that people who do not repent are likely to experience several things:

• They will probably do the same thing again the thing that they ought to have repented for.
• They are likely not to feel much empathy for anyone adversely affected by whatever they did that ought to be repented
• They may not be forgiven - but that depends on who they did wrong to because some folk forgive even when the wrongdoer is not sorry for the wrong that they did
• They may get into trouble for whatever wrongs they did but that could happen even if they did repent

I've avoided implying that they will be punished by God or go to hell or any such thing because that is not my call and it isn't even very clear in the holy scriptures.

I was going to give your post a 'like' and agree with you until the last sentence, since Jesus says repent or perish. We see that Jesus tells us what will happen if someone doesn't repent.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I was going to give your post a 'like' and agree with you until the last sentence, since Jesus says repent or perish. We see that Jesus tells us what will happen if someone doesn't repent.

Well ... some people think they understand what will happen to other people because of something that they read in the gospels or somewhere else in the bible and they seem to be quite happy with that because it suits them and they are sure that whatever negative things Jesus said will not apply to them in the end so they are safe and it is the other guy who will get his just recompense for all the naughty things he/she did. Those folk are wrong.

So when I wrote about what other people will receive I avoided implying that they will be punished by God or go to hell or any such thing because that is not my call and it isn't even very clear in the holy scriptures.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Well ... some people think they understand what will happen to other people because of something that they read in the gospels or somewhere else in the bible and they seem to be quite happy with that because it suits them and they are sure that whatever negative things Jesus said will not apply to them in the end so they are safe and it is the other guy who will get his just recompense for all the naughty things he/she did. Those folk are wrong.

That seems like a cop out on saying what God says for the good of others.

So when I wrote about what other people will receive I avoided implying that they will be punished by God or go to hell or any such thing because that is not my call and it isn't even very clear in the holy scriptures.

Do you know what the Catholic church says to Catholics if they leave and don't come back to the Catholic church before they die? I know but am wondering if you know.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That seems like a cop out on saying what God says for the good of others.


Do you know what the Catholic church says to Catholics if they leave and don't come back to the Catholic church before they die? I know but am wondering if you know.

I know but I imagine that you may not.

 

[YourTruthGod]

I know but I imagine that you may not.

You know then that the Catholic church has no problem telling others they are going to hell for rejecting not Christ, but for rejecting their specific teachings.

 

[Lamb]

If a person doesn't repent of their sins, then what?

Those people are resisting the Holy Spirit who works within us. Repentance is a gift. It is brought about by God's Law that accuses us of sin. There are some who refuse to see that their sin is actually a sin though! The modern world has chosen to let us know that certain sins are no longer sins because it offends someone or hurts someone's feeling to not be able to live freely how they want to live.

So now what?

We pray that the Holy Spirit continues to work in that person to turn away from sin and toward God. At which point does the Holy Spirit leave? We aren't told that in scripture and neither are we to assume as that isn't our place.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Those people are resisting the Holy Spirit who works within us. Repentance is a gift. It is brought about by God's Law that accuses us of sin. There are some who refuse to see that their sin is actually a sin though! The modern world has chosen to let us know that certain sins are no longer sins because it offends someone or hurts someone's feeling to not be able to live freely how they want to live.

Right! It is pathetic.

So now what?

We pray that the Holy Spirit continues to work in that person to turn away from sin and toward God. At which point does the Holy Spirit leave? We aren't told that in scripture and neither are we to assume as that isn't our place.

We have to know what our sins are before we repent and are saved.