Law of God void....

[visionary]

I say no...

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yes, there is a judgment of condemnation... it is the wages of sin is DEATH

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

You do realize that righteousness is obedience to the law... Breaking the law is disobedience...
Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

One of the greatest deception is the idea that God does not have laws in His Kingdom nor does He require obedience. To even define sin is by God's law.

Romans 2:6-10 He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.

So by this scriptural moto we live

1 John 3:1-24 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

It is not safe to live outside His Law and expect salvation.

Romans 1:32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

We are of the generation that must repent and return to living His Holy Life according to His Law.

Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

 

[Alithis]

i think my question i the other thread applies here .. but the over all premise .. of course i agree

 

[psalms 91]

Thhe Law is written on our hearts so it is not void, just raised to a higher plane

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Law is written on our hearts so it is not void, just raised to a higher plane

The holy scriptures tell us that the law is abolished, "For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby bringing the hostility to an end. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near; for through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:14-22)

 

[psalms 91]

The holy scriptures tell us that the law is abolished, "For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby bringing the hostility to an end. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near; for through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:14-22)

And Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law not do away with it and it also says that the Law is written on our hearts, doesnt say that it was abolished by any means. It was just raised from the physical type and shadow to the spiritual level it was meant to be.

 

[Lamb]

The Law is Holy and Good but we do not follow the Law for salvation.

What do we do then? We want to live God's Law because it is Holy and Good and because it shows love to God and to our neighbors.

 

[visionary]

The holy scriptures tell us that the law is abolished, "For he is our peace, who has made us both one, and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby bringing the hostility to an end. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near; for through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." (Ephesians 2:14-22)

Unless you know the emnity, it would be difficult for you to understand the statement.

Thoughts about the Law of God have changed over time.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a1.htm

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Law is Holy and Good but we do not follow the Law for salvation.

What do we do then? We want to live God's Law because it is Holy and Good and because it shows love to God and to our neighbors.

There is a law written in the hearts of the faithful but it is not exactly like the laws of Moses and it does not save their souls but rather helps to purify them as the grace of God through the gift of the holy Spirit works in them to accomplish God's good purposes. But it is a new law that is hidden from those who are perishing just as Christ is hidden from them.

 

[visionary]

It was the man-made Jewish laws like the ones Peter mentioned in Acts 10:28 and/or the dividing wall in the Temple that prevented Jews and Gentiles from worshiping together and that was the emnity. Instead of "breaking down the wall", it can also be translated as "loosing the hedge", which would refer to the practice of binding and loosing (Matthew 18:18), which refers to the practice of making rulings that allow or prohibit certain activities. So the prohibition against Jews meeting or associating with Gentiles was loosed both figuratively and literally. Peter received a vision to get over the "law" that separated him from spreading the gospel to the gentiles.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

That is not found in the Law of God or the Law of Moses... that law was from the Pharisees.

 

[visionary]

One of the biggest traditional understanding among the Jews is the "wall of partition" that separates the Jew from the Gentile.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

This traditional thinking which Peter called "unlawful" where Jews considered other nations unclean or common and second class or as the Talmud referenced them as "pigs" has prevailed through the Jerusalem Council. The idea perpetrated by saying the minimum was all the was necessary or expected for Gentiles, like they were incapable of doing much more. It has been stated that Gentiles can't/shouldn't keep Sabbath perfectly here on the forum on more than one occasion. Really!! That attitude must go.

And so it is preached in Christianity that by the abrogation of the Mosaic institutes the "enmity" between Jew and Gentile is removed. They are reconciled, are "made one" (Ephesians 2:15, 16) which I think is wrong. It is wrong because "The carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." So I think this "law of commandments and ordinances" is traditions that were made through oral Torah to separate Jew from Gentile rather than the actual commandments of God. It may have served a purpose in the preservation of Judaism and the distinction of what is a Jew but it also created rifts with other nations.

It is true that once the "emnity" is removed Gentiles are Eph 2:19 ...... no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,... but we have to figure out what exactly is this "emnity" that separates Jew from Gentile, causes Gentiles to be strangers and sojourners, rather than fellow citizens. Once that reconciliation has occurred then we will truly be one people before God. Yeshua is said to have "abolished in his flesh the enmity," by His cross to have "slain the enmity," that is, the opposition between Jew and Gentile, creating in Himself "one new man,... making peace."

 

[visionary]

Now consider how God has really always wanted things to happen from the beginning. It is written in Torah.

When I see (ger, "stranger") next to (guwr, "sojourns (among you)") in a verse, I believe it is a reference to believing Gentiles. The references to believing Gentiles include

Num 15:3 states that those who "make an offering by fire unto God, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto God" includes those who are believing Gentiles (15:14-16). Lev 24:22 states that the laws regulating behavior between men also applies to Gentiles. Lev 19:33,34 states that believing Gentiles should be considered equal to the native-born Israelite/Jew. Num 9:14 does state that the rules for keeping the Passover applies to believing Gentiles, and Ex 12:48,49 states that they can participate if they also take on the sign of the Covenant (circumcision).

Believing Gentiles can walk in the Way as outlined in His moedim (Num 15:3). Num 15:29 states that atonement for sin also apply to believing Gentiles. Ex 20:10, Lev 25:6, Deut 5:14, Is 56:6 states that keeping the sabbath and its blessings also applies to believing Gentiles, and believing Gentiles can stand in His assembly (Deu 29:11). Believing Gentiles will share in the same blessings (Deu 26:11). Deu 29:11 repeats the concept that God's Covenant also applies to the believing Gentile - all believing Gentiles throughout time (Deu 29:14,15).

So, let's summarize the concepts presented in all of the verses above. Torah applies to Gentiles. When they wish to approach God and show their love for Him. (Lev 17:8, Lev 18:26, Lev 22:18, Deu 31:12). When they wish to show their love for and interact with others in God's family. When they wish to be part of God's family & share in the blessings. When they wish to participate in the Passover and meet with Him in His moedim. When they wish to receive forgiveness for sins. When they wish to participate in the Sabbath, stand in God's assembly, and receiving the same blessings.

These points, found in Torah for the believing Gentile, are the essence of the healing message for the reconciliation of man with God (aka "Gospel")! To love God in obedience, to love our neighbors by being obedient to God, to become part of His family, to take Messiah's Passover blood upon ourselves as our personal Savior, and to walk in His Way, to receive forgiveness of sins, to participate in the eternal Sabbath, aka Heaven, and stand before Him, and receive the same blessings.

Lev 24:16, Num 9:13, Num 15:30,31 all state that unbelieving Gentiles - those who refused to acknowledge God and despises His Torah - was to be put to death. Those who claim they have His peace, but walk in opposition to His Torah, He will blot out (Deu 29:19,20).

In conclusion, I believe Torah clearly tells us that the reconciling message and Torah does apply to not only Jews but Gentiles, believers and unbelievers alike.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Now consider how God has really always wanted things to happen from the beginning. It is written in Torah....

What God always planned and accomplished is redemption by the costly sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Moses was a shadow of his glory. Moses was great and glorious but he was like the childhood school's lessons and masters while Christ is the inheritance of adulthood.

 

[visionary]

What God always planned and accomplished is redemption by the costly sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Moses was a shadow of his glory. Moses was great and glorious but he was like the childhood school's lessons and masters while Christ is the inheritance of adulthood.

The plan of redemption is not complete... only the spring feast have been fulfilled by Yeshua with His first coming,.. the fall feasts will be fulfilled with His second coming... and then our redemption will be complete...

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.