Jesus Christ, died for all

[MennoSota]

The error in your analysis is that you think verses that say that Jesus' death saves the sheep mean that Jesus didn't die for anyone else. But because there are verses that explicitly say that Jesus died for all the sheep are, of course, included but so are the others who do not come to Christ.

All the sheep are chosen. Read Matthew 25.

Matthew 25:33-34,41
And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
MC, why do you teach that Jesus blood purchased all humanity, but that purchase was incapable of saving many? Was Jesus was unable to save all that God had given him? Is that taught in scripture?
No, it's not. But, you teach it anyway.
For you, Jesus purchased all, but failed to bring many of them home to be with him.

 

[RichWh1]

Then what do we do with Romans 6:9-10?

knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 6:9-10

All throughout the Old Testament, the sheep of God was Israel.
When Jesus came, He came to His own ie Israel and his own did not receive Him.
But to as many as received Him to them He gave authority to become children of God --this would consist of the Gentile world.





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[MoreCoffee]

Truly Jesus only solely died for his sheep, deal with it

I feel for you. Your reply is rubbish.

 

[Josiah]

Then what do we do with Romans 6:9-10?

knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 6:9-10

All throughout the Old Testament, the sheep of God was Israel.
When Jesus came, He came to His own ie Israel and his own did not receive Him.
But to as many as received Him to them He gave authority to become children of God --this would consist of the Gentile world.

Yup, as documented, we have Scripture after Scripture, so very many of them, that clearly, undeniably, flat-out, verbatim state that Jesus died "for all" "for everyone" "for the whole world." Etc. And as MennoSota has proven, to date, in nearly 500 years, no Calvinist has yet to find any verse that states that's wrong and in reality Jesus died ONLY for some.




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[MennoSota]

Then what do we do with Romans 6:9-10?

knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 6:9-10

All throughout the Old Testament, the sheep of God was Israel.
When Jesus came, He came to His own ie Israel and his own did not receive Him.
But to as many as received Him to them He gave authority to become children of God --this would consist of the Gentile world.
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These verses support limited atonement. Jesus died once. He died for all that the Father has given him. Look at the beginning of Romans see who Paul is addressing. His letter is to all who are chosen, not to all humanity.

Romans 1:1-7 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle,
set apart for the gospel of God,
which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,

including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

If Jesus died for all humanity (purchased all humanity by his sacrificial payment) then why is Jesus not capable of bringing all that he has purchased to live with him in heaven?
If you declare that he couldn't bring them home because humans reject him, then you have two problems. First, it makes human will greater than God's will and denies the power of the cross. Second, it makes Jesus a liar when he declares that he will never leave you, nor forsake you. If a purchased person can reject God and remove their inheritance, then Jesus is forced to leave them and forsake them. God does not lie, yet such a position forces God into a lie.
Now, if Jesus died only for the elect, then he fulfills all that he wills. His purchase is brought home. He does not lie. He never leaves nor forsakes.

So, do you still think the "all" in Romans 6 is universal?

 

[MennoSota]

Yup, as documented, we have Scripture after Scripture, so very many of them, that clearly, undeniably, flat-out, verbatim state that Jesus died "for all" "for everyone" "for the whole world." Etc. And as MennoSota has proven, to date, in nearly 500 years, no Calvinist has yet to find any verse that states that's wrong and in reality Jesus died ONLY for some.




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Yep, you have a major biblical dilemma as you make God a liar.

 

[Josiah]

These verses support limited atonement.

What verses? You have yet to give even one Scripture that states Jesus died for ONLY some and not all. In nearly 500 years, NO radical Calvinists have found that verse and since you joined CH, you haven't either.

We have shared MANY, MANY Scriptures that flat-out, clearly, undeniably, literally STATE that Jesus died 'for all" "for everyone" "for the whole world" but you don't like what Scripture says and so you just SPIN them so that you claim they ALL "mean" the exact opposite of what they specifically state. All while being unable to produce one Scripture that states Jesus died ONLY for some. The best you have are statements where it says Jesus died for some sub-set of "all" and your incredibly silly point hat ERGO not any other (your "logic" if I posted I live in the USA ergo that dogmatically proves no one else does, how silly, how illogical Calvinists tend to be!). You CLAIM you have an interest in what God says in His Holy Scriptures - but you reject what it does and insist on some verse that says the opposite but that you can't find. Your rubic? Truth is whatever is opposite of what the Bible SO OFTEN verbatim actually states.






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[MoreCoffee]

Then what do we do with Romans 6:9-10?

knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 6:9-10

All throughout the Old Testament, the sheep of God was Israel.
When Jesus came, He came to His own ie Israel and his own did not receive Him.
But to as many as received Him to them He gave authority to become children of God --this would consist of the Gentile world.

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I think that "once for all" means "once for all [time]" rather than "once for all [people]".

 

[MennoSota]

What verses? You have yet to give even one Scripture that states Jesus died for ONLY some and not all. In nearly 500 years, NO radical Calvinists have found that verse and since you joined CH, you haven't either.

We have shared MANY, MANY Scriptures that flat-out, clearly, undeniably, literally STATE that Jesus died 'for all" "for everyone" "for the whole world" but you don't like what Scripture says and so you just SPIN them so that you claim they ALL "mean" the exact opposite of what they specifically state. All while being unable to produce one Scripture that states Jesus died ONLY for some. The best you have are statements where it says Jesus died for some sub-set of "all" and your incredibly silly point hat ERGO not any other (your "logic" if I posted I live in the USA ergo that dogmatically proves no one else does, how silly, how illogical Calvinists tend to be!). You CLAIM you have an interest in what God says in His Holy Scriptures - but you reject what it does and insist on some verse that says the opposite but that you can't find. Your rubic? Truth is whatever is opposite of what the Bible SO OFTEN verbatim actually states.






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Don't be so obtuse. I addressed the verses in Romans 6.
Second, I have provided verses. You reject them in favor of a theology filled with contradiction.
You preach Jesus purchasing all the sins of the world and then failing to bring all sinners home, even though he purchased them.
You preach God failing to keep his promises.
You preach humans failing to pick up and use faith that all humans have been given.
You preach human action as the determiner of a humans eternal existence.
All this because you demand universal/unlimited atonement. Congratulations upon holding massive contradictions and thinking it doesn't matter.

 

[Josiah]

I addressed the verses in Romans 6.

Yup. It doesn't state that Jesus died ONLY for some and NOT for all, everyone, the whole world as so many, so many Scriptures literally, verbatim state.

Yup. You have yet to find even one verse that states Jesus died for ONLY some and NOT for all as so many Scriptures state.

I have provided verses

Yes, but not one that states what you do. Not one.

All you've done is show that you reject the MANY, MANY Scriptures that literally, verbatim, actually state the exact opposite of your horrible dogma. Your rubric seems to be truth is the exact opposite of what the Bible so often, literally, actually STATES.

Be the first Calvinist in almost 500 years to find that verse that states Jesus died for ONLY some and not for all as so many, so many Scriptures state. We're waiting.

You preach God failing to keep his promises

Quote me stating that.... Can't? We all know why.


What I've done is quote God over and over and over again clearly, literally, verbatim stating that Jesus died for ALL. Bothers you, but you seem to hold that when God states something, the exact opposite is the truth.


And I've proclaimed Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide. Which of course means that faith is essential in justification. I'm standing with the Bible and with 2000 years of Christianity and with the Ecumenical Council of Orange that while Christ died for all, not all have faith and thus not all are justified. I know you don't like Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - SOLA FIDE but that's your problem. There's a reason why so much of radical Calvinism ended up in universalism; it doesn't seem to think faith is relevant. In your case, the very mention of it seems to bother you immensely.

You preach human action as the determiner of a humans eternal existence.

Quote me.... Can't? We all know why.... Because I've never in my life said such a thing; I'vc repeatedly posted the exact opposite. But I see how your rubric works: What God often verbatim says.... what others often verbatim say.... the exact opposite is what actually is meant and what is actually true.


We have repeatedly shard MANY, MANY Scriptures that verbatim, literally STATE that Jesus died for all. And like all other Calvinists in nearly 400 years, you can't find even one verse that says what you do: that that's actually not true, in reality, Jesus died for ONLY some. Be the first to find that verse. If you can. But I suspect you'll just keep to your position that truth is whatever is the opposite of what God so often, verbatim, states.





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[MennoSota]

Yup. It doesn't state that Jesus died ONLY for some and NOT for all, everyone, the whole world as so many, so many Scriptures literally, verbatim state.

Yup. You have yet to find even one verse that states Jesus died for ONLY some and NOT for all as so many Scriptures state.






Yes, but not one that states what you do. Not one.

All you've done is show that you reject the MANY, MANY Scriptures that literally, verbatim, actually state the exact opposite of your horrible dogma. Your rubric seems to be truth is the exact opposite of what the Bible so often, literally, actually STATES.

Be the first Calvinist in almost 500 years to find that verse that states Jesus died for ONLY some and not for all as so many, so many Scriptures state. We're waiting.







Quote me stating that.... Can't? We all know why.


What I've done is quote God over and over and over again clearly, literally, verbatim stating that Jesus died for ALL. Bothers you, but you seem to hold that when God states something, the exact opposite is the truth.


And I've proclaimed Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide. Which of course means that faith is essential in justification. I'm standing with the Bible and with 2000 years of Christianity and with the Ecumenical Council of Orange that while Christ died for all, not all have faith and thus not all are justified. I know you don't like Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - SOLA FIDE but that's your problem. There's a reason why so much of radical Calvinism ended up in universalism; it doesn't seem to think faith is relevant. In your case, the very mention of it seems to bother you immensely.






Quote me.... Can't? We all know why.... Because I've never in my life said such a thing; I'vc repeatedly posted the exact opposite. But I see how your rubric works: What God often verbatim says.... what others often verbatim say.... the exact opposite is what actually is meant and what is actually true.


We have repeatedly shard MANY, MANY Scriptures that verbatim, literally STATE that Jesus died for all. And like all other Calvinists in nearly 400 years, you can't find even one verse that says what you do: that that's actually not true, in reality, Jesus died for ONLY some. Be the first to find that verse. If you can. But I suspect you'll just keep to your position that truth is whatever is the opposite of what God so often, verbatim, states.





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First, you set parameters that endure you cannot accept God dying only for His sheep. I have no need to fit scripture into your demands.
Second, your statements about universal atonement and the massive contradiction it establishes in scripture have already been noted.
Third, just because you write "Sola" it does not mean you practice what you write. Your synctretism is obvious. You are free to keep contradicting yourself, over and over and over again. That you cannot see your obvious contradictions is telling about your dogma, which supercedes scripture.

 

[Josiah]

First, you cannot accept God dying only for His sheep.

Because Scripture NEVER states that. You ADD the "only" to the verse, you CHANGED the verse. And you have this silly idea that if something is true in some case, it cannot be true otherwise, so if I post that Donald Trump is an American citizen, that dogmatically proves no one else is. AMAZING how illogical Calvinists can be.


We have many, many Scriptures... that over and over and over again specifically, literally, verbatim state that Jesus died "for all" "for everyone" "for the whole whole" .... and you have yet to produce even one verse that states that's not true, actually Jesus died for ONLY some.

Second, your statements about universal atonement and the massive contradiction it establishes in scripture

Your problem with Scripture is your problem.


Over and over again, in MANY Scriptures, God verbatim states that Jesus died for all. I realize this bothers you and you believe it's not true, but it is what God SO often, SO frequently, SO clearly, literally, verbatim states. And as you prove, there is no verse that states that's wrong and actually Jesus did not do what the Bible so often states but rather died for ONLY some. But again, that's your problem. Not mine.

Third, You are free to keep contradicting yourself

Nope. Just quoting Scriptures that exist, rather than insisting on some verse you can't find.


Jesus died for all. It's what the Bible so often, so clearly, so undeniably STATES. It's what the Ecumenical Council of Orange states. It's what every Christian for 1500 years believed (until a tiny few radical later-day Calvinists invented this weird dogma in the 16th Century) and nearly all Christians still accept (including every Calvinist personally known to me). People might accept that that's not true and that Jesus actually died for only some IF they could find that verse that alludes you, the one that says that.


MAYBE you could argue that Scripture contradicts itself IF you could find that verse that states, "Actually, Jesus did NOT die for all but ONLY for some." That MIGHT suggest a contradiction to the very many Scriptures that flat out state that Jesus died for all, for everyone, for the whole world. But again, that verse doesn't exist. The contradiction is the Bible with you. The contradiction is this horrible dogma with the Bible.

your dogma, which supercedes scripture.

No. My position is simply to quote what the Bible so often, so frequently, literally, verbatim, undeniably states. Quoting Scripture and simply accepting it is not "superceding" it.

However, quoting a verse that doesn't exist.... while "spinning" SO many Scriptures that flat-out, literally, verbatim contradicts your position to "mean" the exact opposite of what they do.... that's absurd.




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[MennoSota]

Because Scripture NEVER states that. You ADD the "only" to the verse, you CHANGED the verse. And you have this silly idea that if something is true in some case, it cannot be true otherwise, so if I post that Donald Trump is an American citizen, that dogmatically proves no one else is. AMAZING how illogical Calvinists can be.


We have many, many Scriptures... that over and over and over again specifically, literally, verbatim state that Jesus died "for all" "for everyone" "for the whole whole" .... and you have yet to produce even one verse that states that's not true, actually Jesus died for ONLY some.






Your problem with Scripture is your problem.


Over and over again, in MANY Scriptures, God verbatim states that Jesus died for all. I realize this bothers you and you believe it's not true, but it is what God SO often, SO frequently, SO clearly, literally, verbatim states. And as you prove, there is no verse that states that's wrong and actually Jesus did not do what the Bible so often states but rather died for ONLY some. But again, that's your problem. Not mine.






Nope. Just quoting Scriptures that exist, rather than insisting on some verse you can't find.


Jesus died for all. It's what the Bible so often, so clearly, so undeniably STATES. It's what the Ecumenical Council of Orange states. It's what every Christian for 1500 years believed (until a tiny few radical later-day Calvinists invented this weird dogma in the 16th Century) and nearly all Christians still accept (including every Calvinist personally known to me). People might accept that that's not true and that Jesus actually died for only some IF they could find that verse that alludes you, the one that says that.


MAYBE you could argue that Scripture contradicts itself IF you could find that verse that states, "Actually, Jesus did NOT die for all but ONLY for some." That MIGHT suggest a contradiction to the very many Scriptures that flat out state that Jesus died for all, for everyone, for the whole world. But again, that verse doesn't exist. The contradiction is the Bible with you. The contradiction is this horrible dogma with the Bible.







No. My position is simply to quote what the Bible so often, so frequently, literally, verbatim, undeniably states. Quoting Scripture and simply accepting it is not "superceding" it.

However, quoting a verse that doesn't exist.... while "spinning" SO many Scriptures that flat-out, literally, verbatim contradicts your position to "mean" the exact opposite of what they do.... that's absurd.




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Of course scripture says that. I showed you in John 10. You just cannot accept that Jesus laid down his life for his sheep, not for those who die in their trespasses and sins.
The whole of scripture interprets one sentence that you now cling to in order to maintain your massive contradiction. You are living as a syncretist, Josiah. If you were a monergist you would accept that Jesus purchased only those who were chosen from before the foundation of the world. He did so because the Father has given them to him and has chosen to make them alive with Christ and gift them faith to believe.
But...you insist that you are in control of your destiny. You demand that all humans be gifted faith and the only difference between the justified and the damned is whether they pick up the gift of faith and run with it or whether they reject it. It's all about you, Josiah. It's all about you.

 

[RichWh1]

These verses support limited atonement. Jesus died once. He died for all that the Father has given him. Look at the beginning of Romans see who Paul is addressing. His letter is to all who are chosen, not to all humanity.

Romans 1:1-7 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle,
set apart for the gospel of God,
which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,

including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

If Jesus died for all humanity (purchased all humanity by his sacrificial payment) then why is Jesus not capable of bringing all that he has purchased to live with him in heaven?
If you declare that he couldn't bring them home because humans reject him, then you have two problems. First, it makes human will greater than God's will and denies the power of the cross. Second, it makes Jesus a liar when he declares that he will never leave you, nor forsake you. If a purchased person can reject God and remove their inheritance, then Jesus is forced to leave them and forsake them. God does not lie, yet such a position forces God into a lie.
Now, if Jesus died only for the elect, then he fulfills all that he wills. His purchase is brought home. He does not lie. He never leaves nor forsakes.

So, do you still think the "all" in Romans 6 is universal?

If what you say is true God is unjust and never gave everyone a chance to repent and believe the Gospel.

So when atheists say God didn't die for them, according to you they are correct and God is unjust! Unmerciful therefore not God

If Jesus died for all humanity (purchased all humanity by his sacrificial payment) then why is Jesus not capable of bringing the all that he has purchased to live with him in heaven?

It's called Free Will. Evidently you don't think that man has free will that some are predestined to condemnation! Not a very merciful God. Not very loving God What you believe is the bad news not the good news!


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[Andrew]

If what you say is true God is unjust and never gave everyone a chance to repent and believe the Gospel.

So when atheists say God didn't die for them, according to you they are correct and God is unjust! Unmerciful therefore not God


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I was an atheist, so that claim is not true. We don't know who is marked by God or not, that's why we are told to preach the word throughout the world to every creature.
There are two types of people in this world, goats and sheep, Jesus laid his life down for the sheep, we only know by their fruits

 

[RichWh1]

I think that "once for all" means "once for all [time]" rather than "once for all [people]".

That is not a correct interpretation of the verse. The Word 'pan' Greek means all inclusive not for all time


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[RichWh1]

I was an atheist, so that claim is not true. We don't know who is marked by God or not, that's why we are told to preach the word throughout the world to every creature.
There are two types of people in this world, goats and sheep, Jesus laid his life down for the sheep, we only know by their fruits

Well Andrew we could assume that you are one of the fortunate atheists whom God chose to save. Does that mean the atheist who doesn't believe has an excuse? According to you he does. According to Scripture 'no man is excused from knowing God '

Romans 1:30-2:1 'no excuses '


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[Josiah]

You just cannot accept that Jesus laid down his life for his sheep

As everyone knows, I have repeatedly stated that I fully, completely, passionately AGREE with this verse and every word in it! What you won't accept is that it's missing your position, it doesn't help you AT ALL (not a bit), it doesn't say He died ONLY for his sheep.

Your "logic" is that if something is true for one, ergo it cannot be for another. So if I post "Donald Trump is an American citizen" that PROVES that no one else is. How silly. How illogical. Amazing how illogical Calvinists can be.


You simply join all the other radical Calvinists who in over 400 years who cannot find the verse that says what they do. All they can find are all the very many, so very many, verses that specifically, literally, verbatim, flat-out STATES the exact opposite of their new weird dogma.

If you were a monergist you would accept that Jesus purchased only those who were chosen from before the foundation of the world.

I am a monergist. And I accept what the Bible so clearly, so often literally states. I don't join you in insisting that a verse that you can't find cancels out all the MANY, MANY Scriptures that STATE the exact opposite of your view, that flat-out contradict it.


It is true that Scripture teaches that God elects some, but it also teaches that Christ died for all. No, this is not a contradiction because justification is not SOLELY the result of Christ's death, FAITH is also essential. The Council of Orange states that while Christ died for all, not all have faith - thus not all are saved. Now, you can ask WHY God doesn't give faith to all, but that's a question the Bible doesn't answer. But the reality that He does not does not make God a liar when He so often, so clearly, so many times that Christ died for all.


Here's the reality: There are MANY, MANY Scriptures that over and over and over again STATE in verbatim, literal words that Jesus died for all, for everyone, for the whole world. And you can't find even one verse that states that that's not true and that in reality, Jesus died for ONLY some. Your dogma is flat-out contrary to what God says, undeniably contradicted by many clear Scriptures. You have questions but your questions don't make God wrong, they just mean you have questions. God is soverign, not you. God need not submit to you, you are to submit to Him. Your questions don't make God wrong.

you insist that you are in control of your destiny.

QUOTE ME.


Everyone here at CH knows you can't because that's just about the most crazy thing anyone has posted here. You can't quote me because what you say is the opposite of the truth - and everyone knows it. Come on, you are better than that.


I insist that God does not lie. I insist on what everyone knows.... that over and over again, the Bible verbatim, literally STATES that Jesus died for all, for everyone, for the whole world. And that you can't find the verse that says what you do, that that's not true, that actually Jesus died for ONLY some.

You demand that all humans be gifted faith

QUOTE ME


Everyone here knows you can't because everyone here knows I never said that.

What I said is what the Bible clearly says: That faith is necessary for justification. I've supported Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide, and that seems to really upset you, any mention of faith seems to do that. It's a common radical Calvinist thing, which I suspect is why so much of radical Calvinism ended up in universalism.



When you find the verse that states, "No, Jesus did not die for all but ONLY for some" share the reference. Until then, I'm standing with 99.99% of Christians, with the Scriptures, with the Council of Orange, and every Calvinist personally known to me and accepting what God so often, so clearly, literally states - and not with some verse you can't find.






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[MennoSota]

If what you say is true God is unjust and never gave everyone a chance to repent and believe the Gospel.

Don't take my word for it. Take God's word for it.
Romans 9:6-24
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say then?

Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means!

For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

So when atheists say God didn't die for them, according to you they are correct and God is unjust! Unmerciful therefore not God

See the above verses.
By the way, no Atheist believes God exists. They simply walk in rebellion according to their nature. If God chooses to break their rebellion, they will repent. If God does not choose to break their rebellion, they will die in their trespasses and sins.
God is not obligated to purchase anyone or redeem them. It is purely by His mercy and grace that anyone is made alive with Christ and brought to repentance.
Let us stop thinking that we are brilliant people who freely chose God. We aren't. We are wicked and corrupt sinners who God chose to redeem solely because it was His will to do so.

It's called Free Will. Evidently you don't think that man has free will that some are predestined to condemnation! Not a very merciful God. Not very loving God WhT you believe is the bad news not the good news!

Free-will is an entirely man-made invention promoted by control freaks who despise God's Sovereign authority over all of His creation...including humanity. It is never taught in scripture. It is always taught by humans who demand that they be in control of their own destiny and not be subject to God's authoritative will.
What I believe is what God teaches.
God chose, God elected. God predestined. These are facts in scripture. We either accept them or we create a philosophy of free-will so we can be in control.
Can you trust God's Sovereign authority...or not?

 

[Andrew]

Well Andrew we could assume that you are one of the fortunate atheists whom God chose to save. Does that mean the atheist has an excuse? According to Scripture 'no man is excused from knowing God '

Romans 1:30-2:1 'no excuses '


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Could it mean that if you judge others you are condemning yourself?
I can't judge for God, I can't condemn not a single man for I will be judged, condemning myself... therefore I cannot say to an atheist that he or she will never have faith