Jesus: Born In A Barn?

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[Odë:hgöd]

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A question I've yet to find explored on a forum is where were Joseph's parents
during the taxing? Didn't they have to go to Bethlehem too? And if they did, then
wouldn't Joseph's mom likely served as the midwife to assist with Mary's delivery?
To my knowledge, men didn't do those kinds of things back then.
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A question I've yet to find explored on a forum is where were Joseph's parents
during the taxing? Didn't they have to go to Bethlehem too? And if they did, then
wouldn't Joseph's mom likely served as the midwife to assist with Mary's delivery?
To my knowledge, men didn't do those kinds of things back then.
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Joseph's father name is jacob.
Have you imagined what his mother's name is?

 

[JRT]

In an earlier post I explained that a Roman census did not involve returning to your home town because it was a census not of people but of land and business assets. I suspect that the Biblical story is the author's rhetorical device to move the birth from Nazareth to Bethlehem in order to fulfill prophesy.

 

[Josiah]

In an earlier post I explained that a Roman census did not involve returning to your home town because it was a census not of people but of land and business assets. I suspect that the Biblical story is the author's rhetorical device to move the birth from Nazareth to Bethlehem in order to fulfill prophesy.

And I nowhere said the Holy Family HAD to do this at Bethlehem (although Luke suggests they did so). But just because they were not COMMANDED by Roman edict to register in their Jewish ancestoral home does NOT mandate that ERGO they did not. There's nothing in history that says residents of the Empire HAD to registered in a village close to where they had recently resided or were forbidden to do so.

I personally am of the OPINION that they likely went to Bethlehem to fulfill prophecy, knowing that's where the Messiah was to be born.... and ALSO made a statement about their JEWISH (rather than ROMAN) citizenship by registering in their JEWISH ancestory home ( which happened to be the very same tiny village - Bethlehem).



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It is an intriguing puzzle

 

[Lamb]

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A question I've yet to find explored on a forum is where were Joseph's parents
during the taxing? Didn't they have to go to Bethlehem too? And if they did, then
wouldn't Joseph's mom likely served as the midwife to assist with Mary's delivery?
To my knowledge, men didn't do those kinds of things back then.
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It must not have been something God thought we needed to know since it's not marked in scripture.

Scripture says Jesus was born in Bethlehem so who are we to not agree with Him?

 

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It must not have been something God thought we needed to know since it's not marked in scripture.

Scripture says Jesus was born in Bethlehem so who are we to not agree with Him?

I believe that ode was offering a noble thought about midwives by extending the view upon the whole picture of our Lords birth.
Men were not involved in childbirth.
It is a well known historical aspect in hebrew culture.
Exodus 1

Blessings Always

 

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A question I've yet to find explored on a forum is where were Joseph's parents
during the taxing? Didn't they have to go to Bethlehem too? And if they did, then
wouldn't Joseph's mom likely served as the midwife to assist with Mary's delivery?
To my knowledge, men didn't do those kinds of things back then.
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And what of myriams(mary) parents and family also.
I wonder if her mother offered service during her grandsons birth.

 

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It must not have been something God thought we needed to know since it's not marked in scripture.

Scripture says Jesus was born in Bethlehem so who are we to not agree with Him?

There is also the aspect of family being replaced with animals and a barn that impresses a demeaning visual upon The Lords birth.

Degrading and comparing the family who wouldve been involved in the Lords birth to animals in a barn is very suspicious in my honest opinion.

So I'm glad that ode has listened to the ruach hakodesh and explored this particular conversation in oil.
Regardless of the secular traditions involved.
I believe ode has challenged the contemporary with courage in spirit.
Time will tell if discipline will remain when given an exercise.

Blessings Always

 

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I wonder if the definition of manger coincides and is relative with the Spanish inquisition?

 

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I wonder if the definition of manger coincides and is relative with the Spanish inquisition?

In other words.
Geopolitical motives are predictable outcomes relative to plagues throughout history.
A certain remnant casts aspersions of death with no accountability upon those who are actually responsible for creating an unhealthy environment with infrastructure and trade.

Attaining Resources are the goal of the lead players in such a race for domination.
The same goes with mankind and the representation of Their religion(s).

 

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I wonder if the definition of manger coincides and is relative with the Spanish inquisition?

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Sorry about the tangential thought ode

 

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There still remains the issue/role of secular cultural assimilation by means of visual impressions upon the youthfull innocent.
>A Manger and animals(beast) representing family.
>The High Holy yom of pesach(easter) represented by a rabbit.
>And many other occultations used by the enemy of Yeshua and His Holy Kingdom.

Blessed be The Holy One

 

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It must not have been something God thought we needed to know since it's not marked in scripture.

Scripture says Jesus was born in Bethlehem so who are we to not agree with Him?

What is marked in Holy scripture is that a messiah would come likened to moshe(moses)
Deuteronomy 18:15
And he after birth was placed in a..
תֵּ֣בַת

 

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In an earlier post I explained that a Roman census did not involve returning to your home town because it was a census not of people but of land and business assets. I suspect that the Biblical story is the author's rhetorical device to move the birth from Nazareth to Bethlehem in order to fulfill prophesy.

If the Roman's were coordinating with jewish leadership.
It is obvious why certain families would register in cities of origin.

In addition there is a tactical advantage of moving mass amounts of people ahead of occupation..

 

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Yeah, Jesus was born in a stable because there was no room for them to stay in a guest house. I know that our society has to do all it can to contradict the Word of God with theories that are themselves unproven ( and yet are accepted as " Gospel"), but our society is just as fallen as the rest of unredeemed humanity. The Holy Scriptures are reliable, can be whole heartedly trusted and they should be. Here are a few links that might be profitable to Christians who might be hearing the voice of the world a little too loudly right now: Martin Luther, the Rule of Faith, and the Bible - Mere Orthodoxy | Christianity, Politics, and Culture, The Creation of Adam and Eve according to Martin Luther - World Wide Wolfmueller, Brief Statement of LCMS Doctrinal Position - The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, Statement of Scriptural and Confessional Principles - The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (lcms.org). I can only pray that those souls reading this would click on these links.

It's too easy to forget that some things are a matter of eternal importance to souls and souls are reading these entries through human eyes. When I was younger, I wanted to reconcile secular science with Holy Scripture myself and fancied myself a fine philosopher. That leads to a very bleak and depressing wilderness. God saw what I was doing and He had mercy on me and I can only hope that He will use the testimonies of good Christians like @Lämmchen, @ImaginaryDay2 and @Josiah to lead people away from what is essentially a secular " theology" that relies on faith as much as it does on evidence. May the Lord's peace be with you all.

No room in the outer and inner court.

 

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For most of my life I was led to believe that Jesus was born in a barn. But now I'm
not so sure because it appears to me that he wasn't. Here's how my mind was
conditioned to think:

"She delivered her baby in a stable because there was no vacancy at the inn."

In point of fact, we're not told where Mary delivered; we're only told where she
sheltered her baby.

"She laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn."

What we're looking at there is a lack of adequate space for a new mom to tend her
baby. Inns in those days usually didn't offer private rooms. They often consisted of
a multiple occupancy space, i.e. something like a bunk house, but with no bunks.

Jesus' mom no doubt had brought along a bassinet because she was so close to
delivery, but conditions in the inn during the taxation likely provided little
opportunity for securing the infant's accouterments up off the floor. In other words:
Mary herself chose a stable for sheltering little Jesus because it was safer.

The feed box was crude but actually a very suitable crib. It not only protected little
Jesus from people stepping on him, but it's sturdy wood construction also
prevented someone from accidentally bumping him over in the dark.

It would seem that Mary was not only a conscientious mom, but also a very
practical girl.

There's an alternate scenario I think worth considering.

The Greek word translated "manger" also means "stall", for example:

• Luke 13:15 . . Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey
from the stall, and lead him away to water?

A stall would've provided Jesus' mom a measure of privacy during delivery; and
instead of having Joseph pick Jesus up and put him in a feed box, Mary could've
just laid him down right beside her on some straw; which means of course that
Luke 2:12 could be legitimately translated like this:

"This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a
stall."

In that scenario, Jesus would've been born in a barn instead of born in the inn and
then later transferred to a barn.
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Are you ready?

 

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What is marked in Holy scripture is that a messiah would come likened to moshe(moses)
Deuteronomy 18:15
And he after birth was placed in a..
תֵּ֣בַת

The Hebrew Alphabet

The Hebrew Alphabet, along with the names of the consonants, their numerical values, and audio pronunciation, including various Hebrew Script Styles.

www.hebrew4christians.com

Gematria
400 tav
2 bet
400 tav

802.
8 + 2 =10

And 10 squared =10,000

Deuteronomy 32:30
How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had given them over and the LORD had delivered them up?