Is Matthew 24:3-14 coming true?

[Messy]

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[Messy]

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[SetFree]

I mean suppose we go through the trib. Once you see the ac sit in the temple, then you know the day He comes back, cause Daniel said it.

The Book of Daniel events align with the order of the SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse and in His Revelation. The only change is that Jesus said He shortened the tribulation for sake of His elect (Matt.24:22).

Once the Antichrist appears sitting in the temple in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God does not mean an immediate rapture of the saints. Christ's Church will not be removed for the coming "great tribulation", because Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather us is AFTER... the tribulation.

Another way to know this is with God's two witnesses of Rev.11. They are to prophesy for 1260 days against the beast. Two symbolic candlesticks are mentioned along with those two witnesses. And per Jesus at the end of Rev.1, the candlesticks in Heaven represent the 7 Churches. That is pointing to 2 Churches giving that 1260 days Testimony along with the two witnesses during the tribulation period.

 

[SetFree]

Okay so then you count 1260 days and you still know when He comes, so why is there a warning to not let the thief break into your house and to not sleep?

I don't know the 'day' of Christ's future coming, so please do not suggest I do just because I showed you that the Revelation 11 Scripture shows the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe happens right after the 3 and 1/2 days there. It's still a toss-up when Jesus comes right after that 3 & 1/2 days when the two witnesses arise. Still don't know the 'hour'. But that certainly puts it in the ballpark.

As if you can sleep during the trib. Those texts are about the time before the trib. You have no idea when it starts and you can get lazy and go beat up the slaves, thinking oh He'll come in 100 years or more. That's what the bad servant was thinking, not: I'm here in the trib and is it 1260 or 1290 days. It took longer before He came, so they all fell asleep. That's about now.

All I can say to that is, if you think right now we are already in the time of "great tribulation", then you are confused, and not sticking with God's written Word. And I already showed you about the 1260 days tribulation time, and the 1290 and 1335 periods after the tribulation.

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant​

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food [i]in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying [j]his coming,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of

That is about those servants in Christ WHO PER HIS 'COMMAND' WATCH THE SIGNS HE GAVE FOR THE END LEADING UP TO HIS COMING.

Why do you think Jesus gave those 7 SIGNS of the end in His Olivet discourse?

Is that symbolic "thief" supposed to surprise those in Christ that WATCH the SIGNS like Jesus commanded?

It makes no sense to put this before He comes back in the end at the 2nd coming. Then there's persecution going on, beheadings, or that's even later, after the wrath, yet the servant is lazying around, beating and getting drunk. Drunk from what? He can't buy nor sell.

Now you are really... leaving God's written Word and going into confusion about the events for the end.

I suggest you study the SIGNS more that Lord Jesus gave us.

This is the order He showed:
1. time prior to the trib - chaos, wars and rumors of wars, nation against nation. The beginning of sorrows. NOW.

2. the tribulation, with the "abomination of desolation" idol setup in Jerusalem, and all that accompanies per the Book of Daniel about the "vile person" and "little horn" (Antichrist).

3. the tribulation - a time of world peace, the deceived saying, "Peace and safety".

4. the great falling away caused by the deceptions of the Antichrist and his host on earth tricking the whole world to think he is God having come, working great signs, wonders, and miracles on earth, fooling the whole world except those whose names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:4-8).

5. the time of some of Christ's servants being delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Christ by The Holy Spirit. Some are beheaded. The rest of Christ's Church remain steadfast waiting for Jesus to return and end the great tribulation. All those who see you are not bowing to the Antichrist who they think is God will wonder at you, and turn you in, even by a deceived loved one.

6. The Testimony against the beast by God's two witnesses, and the two candlesticks, and the plagues upon the beast by the two witnesses throughout the 1260 day tribulation. That beast (Satan) will kill God's two witnesses and leave their 2 dead bodies unburied laying in the street. After 3 and 1/2 days the two witnesses arise, to the shock of the whole world that see it.

7. the Testimony irks the beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit (i.e., Satan), and he will determine to bring a great army out of the northern quarters against Israel in final to destroy...

8. several events happen quickly:
a. God's consuming fire comes at an instant upon the earth, causing the "sudden destruction" upon this earth and the wicked.
b. All alive on earth are suddenly changed at the twinkling of an eye, their flesh cast off.
c. Christ is revealed coming in the clouds with His saints gathered from Heaven.
d. Jesus then gathers His saints that are still alive on earth.
e. Christ with all His saints go to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, His feet touch down there and a great valley is formed there. He fights the battle of Armageddon against Satan's army on earth, and defeats them at an instant.
f. first day of Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect over the unsaved nations begins, with Satan locked in his pit prison.

 

[Messy]

The Book of Daniel events align with the order of the SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse and in His Revelation. The only change is that Jesus said He shortened the tribulation for sake of His elect (Matt.24:22).

Once the Antichrist appears sitting in the temple in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God does not mean an immediate rapture of the saints. Christ's Church will not be removed for the coming "great tribulation", because Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather us is AFTER... the tribulation.

Another way to know this is with God's two witnesses of Rev.11. They are to prophesy for 1260 days against the beast. Two symbolic candlesticks are mentioned along with those two witnesses. And per Jesus at the end of Rev.1, the candlesticks in Heaven represent the 7 Churches. That is pointing to 2 Churches giving that 1260 days Testimony along with the two witnesses during the tribulation period.

When he sits there there is no rapture. But then you know when Jesus will come back, so the text that you have to watch is for the time before the ac comes. Once he comes you can just count the days.
The rapture is before he comes. Then the restrainer is taken out of the way, the church. The church will not accept the ac reigning over the whole world. When Hitler tried that he got America, Canada and England opposing him, so with the church here an antichrist can never come to power.

 

[Messy]

The Book of Daniel events align with the order of the SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse and in His Revelation. The only change is that Jesus said He shortened the tribulation for sake of His elect (Matt.24:22).

Once the Antichrist appears sitting in the temple in Jerusalem proclaiming to be God does not mean an immediate rapture of the saints. Christ's Church will not be removed for the coming "great tribulation", because Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather us is AFTER... the tribulation.

He gathers us from the ends of the earth and the ends of heaven, so a part can be in heaven, raptured.


Revelation 3 to Philadelphia, the faithful church:
Because you have kept [g]My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

 

[SetFree]

When he sits there there is no rapture. But then you know when Jesus will come back, so the text that you have to watch is for the time before the ac comes.

That does not make sense. You are confused.

I do not know the 'date' of Christ's coming, even though I showed you the Rev.11 Scripture of the 7th trumpet coming right after the two witnesses arise.

The SIGNS we are 'commanded' to WATCH for are from the time just before the "great tribulation", and then during the tribulation, up to that 7th trumpet - 3rd last Woe. And with Christ coming in the clouds. Look up, He said, remember Luke 21?

Once he comes you can just count the days.
The rapture is before he comes. Then the restrainer is taken out of the way, the church. The church will not accept the ac reigning over the whole world. When Hitler tried that he got America, Canada and England opposing him, so with the church here an antichrist can never come to power.

Nope. Jesus shortened the time of "great tribulation" per Matthew 24, remember?

The 1260 day latter half per the Books of Daniel and Revelation only reveal the 'order' of events now, not the actual number of days.

Looks like you're on man's false Pre-trib Rapture Theory. They are the ones who wrongly believe that restrainer idea with the Church being raptured.

No wonder you can't understand the things I've tried to show you from Bible Scripture. And you won't understand the Scriptures I showed you until you start staying in God's written Word for yourself, and stop listening to those men who push the false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

 

[SetFree]

The rapture is before he comes. Then the restrainer is taken out of the way, the church. The church will not accept the ac reigning over the whole world. When Hitler tried that he got America, Canada and England opposing him, so with the church here an antichrist can never come to power.

No... their is no rapture PRIOR to the "great tribulation".

Lord Jesus made it plain that He comes to gather His saints AFTER... the tribulation. So if you want Him to reject you at His coming, then keep believing those false prophets on the false Pre-trib Rapture theory.

The 'deceived' in Christ's Church will... most definitely fall away... to the wrong Messiah that comes first. That is what Apostle Paul's idea of the 'falling away' in 2 Thess.2 is about. It's about falling away to that coming "man of sin" (Antichrist). That's the same false one Jesus warned us about in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture.

You obviously are being deceived by heeding men's doctrines. I suggest you start checking out your teachers directly for yourself in God's written Word.

 

[Messy]

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[SetFree]

He gathers us from the ends of the earth and the ends of heaven, so a part can be in heaven, raptured.


Revelation 3 to Philadelphia, the faithful church:
Because you have kept [g]My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

No... the idea of being "caught up" per Apostle Paul (what some call a rapture), is ONLY about the saints alive on earth being gathered. It has NOTHING to do with Christ's gathering the asleep saints that are in Heaven which He brings with Him.

If you had actually studied 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 for yourself, you would know this.

 

[Messy]

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[SetFree]

I don't listen to men.

Yeah you do. I well recognize the 'theories' you are on which are not written in God's Word. So no need to try and hide it, I've done my own checking out Bible teachers for myself, so I know what the Scriptures actually show, even this which you keep trying to mock me with...

Rev 11:8-15
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, "Come up hither." And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

 

[SetFree]

http://www.jesus4all.dk/the-valdres-woman11

Well, that proves what I've said, that you need real Bible study for yourself, and to stop listening to the whims of men's doctrines, including some supposed claimed modern-day prophet.

 

[SetFree]

Brethren in Christ: be careful of 'sensationalism' that false prophets use to drive one's emotions. Some really crazy ideas, and even supposed visions and being influenced by evil spirits has come from those who use 'sensationalism' to push their false doctrines outside of Bible Truth.

 

[Messy]

Yeah you do. I well recognize the 'theories' you are on which are not written in God's Word. So no need to try and hide it, I've done my own checking out Bible teachers for myself, so I know what the Scriptures actually show, even this which you keep trying to mock me with...

Rev 11:8-15
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, "Come up hither." And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

I have discussed it in the past on christian forums and looked up texts. Mock you? I believe that too. I think it's better that I stop discussing it now.

 

[Messy]

Brethren in Christ: be careful of 'sensationalism' that false prophets use to drive one's emotions. Some really crazy ideas, and even supposed visions and being influenced by evil spirits has come from those who use 'sensationalism' to push their false doctrines outside of Bible Truth.

Oh wow. You better be very sure before you accuse people falsely. I'm out of here.

 

[SetFree]

I have discussed it in the past on christian forums and looked up texts. Mock you? I believe that too. I think it's better that I stop discussing it now.

Yeah, your spirit has shown me a mocking nature against the Scripture. You keep trying to say I know the 'day' of Christ's coming when I showed you I do not.

You tried to push man's Pre-trib Rapture theory, which is de facto leaving the Scriptures of God's Word. All that is evidence of the working of 'another spirit' which will lead you to the "another Jesus"...

2 Cor 11:2-4
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

 

[SetFree]

Oh wow. You better be very sure before you accuse people falsely. I'm out of here.

I don't pay attention to idle threats. What you have shown by your own words is enough to know where your mind is at.

 

[Messy]

Yeah, your spirit has shown me a mocking nature against the Scripture. You keep trying to say I know the 'day' of Christ's coming when I showed you I do not.

No I said someone who is in the trib can know and count the days. Of course you now don't know when He comes.

 

[Messy]

I don't pay attention to idle threats. What you have shown by your own words is enough to know where your mind is at.

Have you even read what that 90 y o woman wrote? Do you know her? She's in heaven. She was a God fearing christian and you accuse her like it's nothing. I don't want to be the cause of that so I quit this discussion. I will also remove it. Noone believes it anyway. Fruitless discussion.