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Is Mary "theotokos" or "theoNOTokos"?
Let us take a look at “Mary” [Mat. 1:16,18,20, 2:11, 13:55; Mar. 6:3; Luk. 1:27,30,34,38,39,41,46,56, 2:5,16,19,34; Act. 1:14], “the mother of Jesus” [Jhn. 2:1,3; Act. 1:14; see also “his mother” - Mat. 1:18, 2:11; Luk. 2:34,43; Jhn. 19:25; and “mother” - also Jhn. 6:42] who was “espoused to Joseph”, for she is not to be confused with the many other Mary's in the scriptures.
We are going to look at the scriptures in what they themselves have to say about her and what they do not say about her, for there is at this time a persistent theology which pervades much of the Christian world which claims to have support [from the Bible] for an idea that has been defined and termed by many: “theotokos” [literally “GOD-Bearer”, or “one who gives birth to GOD” and/or also loosely given as “Mother of GOD”; being a “title”]. Let us look very closely at the scriptures to see if this “title” is accurate or is instead dangerous.
The first question that should be asked is this, “Is the “title” “theotokos” ever itself given anywhere at all in any of the Scriptures by anyone?” - “No.”
The next question that should be asked is this, “Is Mary ever called by the appellation or designated with the title of “Mother of GOD” [“GOD” being the English for the Greek [Tr.] word “Theos”] anywhere at all in any of the Scriptures by anyone?” - “No.”
Let us now consider a few statements by the Roman Catholic theological position and teaching on this subject of the “theotokos”, for it is said that:
Though it is taught by outward Catholicism that she is not the 'mother of divinity' (well and good), yet there is more said inwardly by the dogma [in brief, many more quotes upon request from the highest sources available]...
Let us look at the first quote again and ask yet another question. “Did Elizabeth [the cousin of Mary] ever call Mary by the “title” “Mother of God” in any part of the Scriptures?” - “No.”
Where then does the Roman Catholic theological position obtain the slightest ground from Scripture to say that Elizabeth says such? Luke 1:43 is oft cited:
And whence [is] this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Luke 1:43 [KJB]
Some simple summary points to think on, and for discussion:
[1] Mary is a daughter of God, by creation & redemption (as she was a sinner like everyone else; Lev. 12:1-8; Psa. 51:5; Luk. 1:38,47-48, 2:22,44-49; Mat. 12:46-50; Mar. 3:21-35; Jhn. 2:4; Rom. 3:23; 1 Tim. 2:15 KJB), a finite being of the nature of mankind with a beginning, & a death.
[2] Jesus has two natures, that of Eternal ever-existing unsullied Deity (Jhn. 1:1-3, 8:58; Heb. 1:8-13, 13:4-8; Psa. 45:6-7, 102:12,25-27, KJB), and of finite, created mankind (Heb. 10:5 KJB) and its fallen sinful nature (Rom. 8:3 KJB)
[3] Therefore, Mary is the TheoNOTokos, not the Theotokos. She herself had no such thoughts as modern Marianists do, magnifying herself (Luk. 1:38-56 KJB).
[4] She is acknowledged as the mother of the Messiah, and King of Israel - Luk. 1:43, but not the 'mother of God', since the koine Greek is clear, 'η μητηρ του κυριου μου' (the mother of my Lord). Not one text, or even collection of texts, in all of scripture says that Mary is 'the mother of God'. It is a fabrication, made up by Marianists.
[5] What does Catholicism do with 'Anne', and the rest of the ancestral women of Mary's line all the way back to Eve? Is 'Anne' the "Grand-mother of God"? Is her mother the "Great-Grand-mother of God" ... is Eve the "Great-Great-Great ... Great-Grand-mother of God"?
[6] Jesus said, when told about Mary being outside seeking him,
Let us take a look at “Mary” [Mat. 1:16,18,20, 2:11, 13:55; Mar. 6:3; Luk. 1:27,30,34,38,39,41,46,56, 2:5,16,19,34; Act. 1:14], “the mother of Jesus” [Jhn. 2:1,3; Act. 1:14; see also “his mother” - Mat. 1:18, 2:11; Luk. 2:34,43; Jhn. 19:25; and “mother” - also Jhn. 6:42] who was “espoused to Joseph”, for she is not to be confused with the many other Mary's in the scriptures.
We are going to look at the scriptures in what they themselves have to say about her and what they do not say about her, for there is at this time a persistent theology which pervades much of the Christian world which claims to have support [from the Bible] for an idea that has been defined and termed by many: “theotokos” [literally “GOD-Bearer”, or “one who gives birth to GOD” and/or also loosely given as “Mother of GOD”; being a “title”]. Let us look very closely at the scriptures to see if this “title” is accurate or is instead dangerous.
The first question that should be asked is this, “Is the “title” “theotokos” ever itself given anywhere at all in any of the Scriptures by anyone?” - “No.”
The next question that should be asked is this, “Is Mary ever called by the appellation or designated with the title of “Mother of GOD” [“GOD” being the English for the Greek [Tr.] word “Theos”] anywhere at all in any of the Scriptures by anyone?” - “No.”
Let us now consider a few statements by the Roman Catholic theological position and teaching on this subject of the “theotokos”, for it is said that:
"… Elizabeth is the first to call Mary by her most honourable title "Mother of God …" [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; “V”; "The Blessed Virgin Mary"; subsection “The Visitation”] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Virgin Mary
Though it is taught by outward Catholicism that she is not the 'mother of divinity' (well and good), yet there is more said inwardly by the dogma [in brief, many more quotes upon request from the highest sources available]...
"… As Mary was truly the mother of Jesus, and as Jesus was truly God from the first moment of His conception, Mary is truly the mother of God. … Theotokos …" [Roman Catholic Online Encyclopedia; “V”; "The Blessed Virgin Mary"; subsection “Mary's divine motherhood”] - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Virgin Mary
"... the Most August Virgin Mary ... this Divine Mother ... Yet our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God, so that the Church even addresses to her the words with which we pray to God: "Have mercy on sinners." ... the heavenly choirs, "above whom the Holy Mother of God is exalted." ...” [LEO XIII - AUGUSTISSIMAE VIRGINIS MARIAE; ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII; ON THE CONFRATERNITY OF THE HOLY ROSARY] - Augustissimae Virginis Mariae (September 12, 1897) & On the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary - Papal Encyclicals
Let us look at the first quote again and ask yet another question. “Did Elizabeth [the cousin of Mary] ever call Mary by the “title” “Mother of God” in any part of the Scriptures?” - “No.”
Where then does the Roman Catholic theological position obtain the slightest ground from Scripture to say that Elizabeth says such? Luke 1:43 is oft cited:
And whence [is] this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Luke 1:43 [KJB]
kai poqen moi touto ina elqh h mhthr tou kuriou mou proV me Luke 1:43 [Stephen's 1550 Textus Receptus; Tr. Greek] - Luke 1 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com
kai poqen moi touto ina elqh h mhthr tou kuriou mou proV me Luke 1:43 [Byzantine Majority; Tr. Greek] - Luke 1 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com
kai poqen moi touto ina elqh h mhthr tou kuriou mou proV eme Luke 1:43 [Alexandrian; Tr. Greek] - Luke 1 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Luke 1:43 [Douay Rheims; Jesuit text] - Douay-Rheims Bible, Luke Chapter 1
Et unde hoc mihi ut veniat mater Domini mei ad me? Luke 1:43 [Clementine Latin Vulgate Online] - Luke 1 in the Clementine Vulgate Latin Bible
As as side note:
According to a certain scholar of Roman Catholicism, Mary is not really Joseph’s wife ( CHURCH FATHERS: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary (Jerome) ) as per Jerome, called ‘Theotokos’ (‘Mother of God’), wearing the 12 Gem breastplate (as a high priest in Christ’s place), 7 branch shepherd’s rod, & dragon horns, ‘assumed’ into Heaven, ‘exalted above angels’, ‘Mediatrix’, ‘Co-Redemptrix’, ‘Reparatrix’, &c.
Some simple summary points to think on, and for discussion:
[1] Mary is a daughter of God, by creation & redemption (as she was a sinner like everyone else; Lev. 12:1-8; Psa. 51:5; Luk. 1:38,47-48, 2:22,44-49; Mat. 12:46-50; Mar. 3:21-35; Jhn. 2:4; Rom. 3:23; 1 Tim. 2:15 KJB), a finite being of the nature of mankind with a beginning, & a death.
- [a] by fleshy descendancy from Adam, as one of mankind (Gen. 20:-25, 3:20; Luk. 3:23,38; Act. 17:26 KJB)
- as by adoption accepting the offer of God in the Messiah / Christ Jesus (Gen. 3:15 KJB)
[2] Jesus has two natures, that of Eternal ever-existing unsullied Deity (Jhn. 1:1-3, 8:58; Heb. 1:8-13, 13:4-8; Psa. 45:6-7, 102:12,25-27, KJB), and of finite, created mankind (Heb. 10:5 KJB) and its fallen sinful nature (Rom. 8:3 KJB)
- [a] Thus the nature of Jesus' Deity has no mother, since His nature of Deity is of His eternal Father (Heb. 1:3 KJB) alone, and so Jesus is the monogenes (Jhn. 3:16 KJB) of the monon alethinon theon (Jhn. 17:3 KJB).
- Thus Jesus' nature of mankind is created (Rom. 1:3; Heb. 10:5 KJB) and does stem from the sinful flesh of the mother (Psa. 51:5; Rom. 8:3; Gal. 4:4; Heb. 2:13-14,17-18 KJB; &c.) and earthly fallen 'fathers' (Luk. 1:32,73; Jhn. 7:42, 8:53; Rom. 1:3; 2 Tim. 2:8; Rev. 5:5 KJB), and took not on the unfallen nature of angels (Heb. 2:16 KJB), so has an earthly mother in origin in human nature, but no earthly immediate father (Luk. 1:35, 2:49 KJB) in origin of human nature.
[3] Therefore, Mary is the TheoNOTokos, not the Theotokos. She herself had no such thoughts as modern Marianists do, magnifying herself (Luk. 1:38-56 KJB).
[4] She is acknowledged as the mother of the Messiah, and King of Israel - Luk. 1:43, but not the 'mother of God', since the koine Greek is clear, 'η μητηρ του κυριου μου' (the mother of my Lord). Not one text, or even collection of texts, in all of scripture says that Mary is 'the mother of God'. It is a fabrication, made up by Marianists.
[5] What does Catholicism do with 'Anne', and the rest of the ancestral women of Mary's line all the way back to Eve? Is 'Anne' the "Grand-mother of God"? Is her mother the "Great-Grand-mother of God" ... is Eve the "Great-Great-Great ... Great-Grand-mother of God"?
[6] Jesus said, when told about Mary being outside seeking him,
- Mat_12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
- Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
- Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
- Mar_3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
- Mar 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
- Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
- [a] Therefore, are all Christians who follow Christ are as the "mother" of Jesus, and we each also "Theotokos", yes / no, by the same silly reasoning as the Marianists? If not, why not, since the same logic applies across the board.
- [a] due to Catholicism's "trinity" definition, they would also have to say that Mary was the Mother of the Father, and the Holy Ghost also, since they are included in the "God" of Catholicism, being "perfectly one superabound"
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