Is it impeachment time yet?

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Can we impeach Donald yet?

I mean, it's been nearly 20 months now, and he's tweeted so much rubbish and done so many mean spirited things and been such an agitator in trade, military alliances, and diplomacy.

So can we impeach him please; and I say "we" meaning Christians, and specifically Christians in the USA congress - both the house and the senate.

And should he be in "jail" after impeachment?

Would you favour a "presidential pardon" for him if he was convicted by the senate, or by the courts?

Nixon got a pardon from Gerald Ford, was that a mistake?
 

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All I know is that it is high time we get rid of this sham of a president
 

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All I know is that it is high time we get rid of this sham of a president

In two and a half months it will be voting time for the congress; maybe that is the first step to get rid of the sham.
 

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Homework assignment... find the good things Trump has done for the USA.
 

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what high crimes and misdemeanors are you impeaching him for? Being a jerk isn't a high crime that impeachment calls for. If it was most of congress wouldn't be there
I'm not a big fan of Trump, but the country knew what it was getting when they voted.
 

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Can we impeach Donald yet?
Uh, no. WE cannot do anything. Americans could--if there were grounds for impeachment or if the Democrats were in control of the House, in which case legalities would be considered unimportant. But there's no WE involved.
 

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I firmly believe that come January the Dems will be in control of the senate and perhaps the house as well. People are tired of the antics and the unamerican acts by this guy
 

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I still believe in democracy and am actually shocked that many people think that overthrowing the election is just fine if you happen not to personally like the man who was elected.
 

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I firmly believe that come January the Dems will be in control of the senate and perhaps the house as well. People are tired of the antics and the unamerican acts by this guy

I don't like the guy, but impeaching is a serious thing and there needs to be solid proof of wrongdoing and not just not liking the guy.
If he did something like treason then yes they should impeach, but cheating on your wife is not impeaching worthy
 

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I don't like the guy, but impeaching is a serious thing and there needs to be solid proof of wrongdoing and not just not liking the guy.
If he did something like treason then yes they should impeach, but cheating on your wife is not impeaching worthy

Well, of course, the people who insist that it is impeachable (cheating on your wife), never thought it was so prior to having to come up with some rationalization for getting rid of the president now.

They never hesitated to vote for the Kennedys, Bubba Clinton, or John Edwards, or speak against their behavior. And that takes account of most of the Democrat front-runners and presidential tickets over the past fifty years. In fact, we remember the main argument they gave us against impeaching Clinton--it wasn't anyone's business but his own.
 

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I still believe in democracy and am actually shocked that many people think that overthrowing the election is just fine if you happen not to personally like the man who was elected.
It isnt about overthrowing the election, it is about preserving what is left of democracy. This man has lied every day he has been in office in some outragious and unamerican ways, tried to turn the people against the free press which is unamerican, kowtowed to Russian and refused to believe his own intelligence services (wonder why), and is now
revoking security clearances of people who are true to america and this is just some of what he has doen without even getting into the outragious tweets and so on. Please, dont tell me that everyone who is against him is democrat or illegiallly trying ot overthrow an election which from the looks of it may not have been fair to begin with.
 

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It isnt about overthrowing the election

Of course it is. No question about it.

it is about preserving what is left of democracy.

Nonsense. Your own post before this one admitted to the real motives. You dont like him, and that's all that you need.

What is more, you are counting on the party that has announced, since before Trump was in office, that they were out to RESIST! the results of the election, tried to subvert the work of the Electoral College, to obstruct the ordinary business of Congress in order to bring governing to a standstill if possible, and has called for acts of violence and for non-citizens to vote illegally in our elections.

NONE OF THAT supports a claim that the objective is to save democracy.
 

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Can we impeach Donald yet?


No, you can't. Anymore than I can impeach your Queen.


The members of the US Congress alone have this ability.... but they need something criminal and so far all the Liberals have is that Trump beat Clinton (which they consider a crime). It's happened twice in our nations' history (longer than yours).... the first was unjust and the second (based on a felony committed while in office) never resulted in anything. Nixon resigned before impeachment proceedings began.




I mean, it's been nearly 20 months now, and he's tweeted so much rubbish and done so many mean spirited things and been such an agitator in trade, military alliances, and diplomacy.


Tweeting is not yet a federal felony.... and "your political opponents don't like you" is not cause to overturn an election and democracy. Unlike Australians, we have an opportunity to not re-elect our national leader (unlike you, who have no vote on the PM or the Queen) and that's how a democracy handles an elected leader whom we no longer support - we just don't re-elect them. It's worked well for 242 years. What is your personal recourse if you don't like the Queen?


We find respectful Americans do not start thread after thread insisting how much they don't like your PM or Queen.... we trust the democracy of your nation and the people of it. We might be concerned about the dictator of North Korea but that's because it's not a democracy , we don't start ENDLESS threads bashing the people of Australia for Queen Elizabeth or even your PM. It's called respect. It's respecting the sovereignty and democracy of other nations.



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Can we impeach Donald yet?

I mean, it's been nearly 20 months now, and he's tweeted so much rubbish and done so many mean spirited things and been such an agitator in trade, military alliances, and diplomacy.

So can we impeach him please; and I say "we" meaning Christians, and specifically Christians in the USA congress - both the house and the senate.

And should he be in "jail" after impeachment?

Would you favour a "presidential pardon" for him if he was convicted by the senate, or by the courts?

Nixon got a pardon from Gerald Ford, was that a mistake?


Trump is fighting tooth and nail for his presidency and I doubt that we're going to see another occupant in the Oval Office any time soon. Yes, the news about the man is depressing, but I thought the same thing about Obama and George W. Bush during their times in office. Trump won the Electoral College ( however it was done, he won it, he was sworn in as president and today, whether the planet loves it or loathes it, Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States of America). Right now, this is an objective fact. I don't like a lot of the choices he's made while he was in office ( withdrawing the US from the Paris Climate Accord, downsizing the EPA and chronic West Wing job turnover are three professional choices he made that I disagree with), but his personal morality ( or lack thereof) in regards to the women he was allegedly seeing while married is ( like Bill Clinton's) none of my business. When one's worldview interferes with his or her job performance, there's going to be a problem.


Okay, that's the negative. He's a Reality Show media mogul who seems to have difficulty separating himself from the roles he's been given to play. On a positive note, we know this guy. We knew exactly what he stood for when he was sworn in and he has not deviated from his stated course. He began by stating that the media was full of crap and that is exactly how he's been treating the press ever since. He thinks we've ( as a nation) been screwed by the rest of the world and it's payback time. He cares more about presenting America's strength to the world and he tweets " carelessly" as a demonstration of his own power.


Those of us who are Americans get to do what we got to do when Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter and all those other guys did when we thought they were out to screw the country over. We can express our discontent at the voting booth. We still have freedom of speech and we regularly exercise our right to protest. Red's going too far? Vote Blue! Blue's getting too Commie for good taste? Vote Red! Part of the Serenity Prayer http://thevoiceforlove.com/serenity-prayer.html is a petition for God that we might have the wisdom to see the difference between the things we can change and the things we cannot change. Yes, the state of the country might be wonderful for the rich and agonizing for the poor, but it has been thus for decades now. It's a time ( as it will always be, until the Second Coming) for faith, prayer and living our lives as God gives us the grace to do.
 

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Of course it is. No question about it.



Nonsense. Your own post before this one admitted to the real motives. You dont like him, and that's all that you need.

What is more, you are counting on the party that has announced, since before Trump was in office, that they were out to RESIST! the results of the election, tried to subvert the work of the Electoral College, to obstruct the ordinary business of Congress in order to bring governing to a standstill if possible, and has called for acts of violence and for non-citizens to vote illegally in our elections.

NONE OF THAT supports a claim that the objective is to save democracy.
Dont read motives into my posts as I dont like Trump but that is not my motivation. I truly believe he is a clear and present danger to this country. I didnt like others and never once thought of impeachment like any american I will accept the will of the people as long as it isnt tresono.us
 

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No, you can't. Anymore than I can impeach your Queen.


The members of the US Congress alone have this ability.... but they need something criminal and so far all the Liberals have is that Trump beat Clinton (which they consider a crime). It's happened twice in our nations' history (longer than yours).... the first was unjust and the second (based on a felony committed while in office) never resulted in anything. Nixon resigned before impeachment proceedings began.







Tweeting is not yet a federal felony.... and "your political opponents don't like you" is not cause to overturn an election and democracy. Unlike Australians, we have an opportunity to not re-elect our national leader (unlike you, who have no vote on the PM or the Queen) and that's how a democracy handles an elected leader whom we no longer support - we just don't re-elect them. It's worked well for 242 years. What is your personal recourse if you don't like the Queen?


We find respectful Americans do not start thread after thread insisting how much they don't like your PM or Queen.... we trust the democracy of your nation and the people of it. We might be concerned about the dictator of North Korea but that's because it's not a democracy , we don't start ENDLESS threads bashing the people of Australia for Queen Elizabeth or even your PM. It's called respect. It's respecting the sovereignty and democracy of other nations.



- Josiah





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Some thoughts.....


1. I wonder if many in other nations are simply jeolous. They often can do NOTHING about their national leader (whether such be a Prime Minister or King or whatever) and they covet how we have elections for our president. They can't do a THING about their king - they can't choose, they can't remove, they can't do ANYTHING about ANYTHING he or she says or does) but we have elections every 4 years.


2. Trump is one of only a handful of US presidents who was never a politican, never held political office. And the previous ones had been military leaders (the last non-politician was Eisenhower). Trump is the first businessman ever to be elected president of the USA in it's nearly 250 year history. And he doesn't work like a politician. He works like a businessman - and the "inside the beltway" folks are completely puzzled by this. In the business world, there is "the art of the deal" (Trump wrote a best selling book on this that no political insider or press member ever read)... and it includes over stating.... waiting for the reaction.... pulling in your direction.... waiting for the response.... finally settling on a position acceptable to both. It is "dealing" but in a process few in politics and no one in the press knows a thing about.


3. The press is used to politicians FEARING them. They are use to the idea that THEY run the country, the politicians bowing in fear before them since THEY are the king makers. Problem is: The press (both newpapers and the evening news on TV) have lost much of their power.... newspaper readership is in rapid decline.... once the evening news was in the top 5 in terms of viewership, now it's near the bottom.... the press is just not heard much and is not respected much.... Trump doesn't NEED to fear the press in the way that Nixon and Clinton and Obama did - and he knows it. This ANGERS the American press as it struggles to reclaim it's power and king-making role, but I think it's gone.



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Don't read motives into my posts as I don't like Trump but that is not my motivation.
You say that now, but I was just going by what you wrote before.


However, if you want to switch to the "treason" explanation, you will look even more partisan since that one is just nuts.
 

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Trump has done nothing but good things as far as I am concerned, he isn't so PC I agree but he gets things done. Better than having a PC president that makes things worse.
MC what's it to you anyway?
 

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You say that now, but I was just going by what you wrote before.


However, if you want to switch to the "treason" explanation, you will look even more partisan since that one is just nuts.
Is it? Given how he has dealt with Putin, ignored his own national security team about Russian interference not to mention trying to silence the rpess, lot of smoke there I think. By the way it isnt switching, there is just so much to choose from.
 

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Yes.

Given how he has dealt with Putin
Suggesting that it would be better to find a way to get along rather than remain enemies?? That is what heads of state do routinely.

Or is it that slapping sanctions on Russia in compliance with a decision made by Congress is your idea of treason?
 
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