How could they vote for him?

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The question I heard prior to election and now that Trump has won is

How could they vote for him?

The simplest answer is actually a question: Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?

And that question isn't just about your personally, but about the US and also the world.

You see, there are millions of Americans who don't feel we're better off after the Biden administration ruined the great economy we had, allowed criminals to invade our borders, give illegal immigrants hotel rooms and all kinds of things while our own people are suffering, and allowed the world peace we had with Trump to crumble into wars.

There you go.

Now onto the more complicated answers.

I've heard from my Democrat friends and family saying the same phrases and terms that the Democrat politicians and main stream media have spewed. They have vilified Trump to the extent that the man who never had a criminal record was suddenly breaking the law in numerous ways? They called him names...they called his voters names.

They lied about his policies! That's something that really irked me. He's NOT going to end Social Security as the claims go. He said he's going to cut taxes for those on social security. Won't that HELP our elderly???

They lied about Project 2025 saying he was behind it. But he said he wasn't backing that project.

There are more lies and more mistruths and more nonsense that came from Democrat politicians and main stream media.

If you want to know more about why a little more than half this country needed to vote for Donald J. Trump, then turn off your usual news source and expand it to more conservative ones. You'll see that Americans have been hurt by this current administration and its policies.

I don't know what God's plans are for Trump. He saved him from two assassinations for a reason. Trump could pass away today or tomorrow, but for now, Trump has won the election. I hope the rhetoric and name calling stops. I really do. I want America to have a good 4 years and get things done finally!
 

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Well said.
 

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What bothers me is the sense (and I see this on both sides, but more so on the political left) that if I support my candidate then it's because I consider them to be better overall, while accepting they have flaws and aspects I dislike. But if you support the other candidate it logically follows that you agree with every single thing they do, endorse their every failing, and unwaveringly accept everything they have ever said or done however extreme.

After the 2020 election I was curious about the whole "inciting insurrection" claim and read Trump's entire speech. I didn't see anything in it that I could remotely describe as inciting insurrection, but the claim has been repeated often enough that it's all but accepted as fact among some circles on the left.

I mentioned in another thread that I lost all respect for a few people in my former church for their political bile. Having seen what they've been spewing on social media this morning I feel like I respect them less than I did before, which is hard to imagine. Had Harris won those on the left would be calling for peace and graceful acceptance of the result but since it appears Trump won they are spewing bile about Hitler, the demise of the country and the like.
 

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What bothers me is the sense (and I see this on both sides, but more so on the political left) that if I support my candidate then it's because I consider them to be better overall, while accepting they have flaws and aspects I dislike. But if you support the other candidate it logically follows that you agree with every single thing they do, endorse their every failing, and unwaveringly accept everything they have ever said or done however extreme.

After the 2020 election I was curious about the whole "inciting insurrection" claim and read Trump's entire speech. I didn't see anything in it that I could remotely describe as inciting insurrection, but the claim has been repeated often enough that it's all but accepted as fact among some circles on the left.

I mentioned in another thread that I lost all respect for a few people in my former church for their political bile. Having seen what they've been spewing on social media this morning I feel like I respect them less than I did before, which is hard to imagine. Had Harris won those on the left would be calling for peace and graceful acceptance of the result but since it appears Trump won they are spewing bile about Hitler, the demise of the country and the like.

You nailed a lot of what's going on right now.

Also, the politicians and news media have manipulated people so much that they're thinking this is all doom and gloom...because they were told it would be. A friend of mine ended up in the ER this morning and I think that's because the fear was instilled in her so much from what she was absorbing, not only from the news but also on social media. It didn't have to be this way.
 

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I'm curious to know when it became so normal to demonise people for having a different opinion. I can disagree with your political opinions overall while agreeing with some of them, and without acting like you're some kind of retard for having a different perspective.

A couple of times I've had political discussions with friends with nominally very different outlooks, only to find that we agreed on far more than either of us expected. What seems to be quite a common thing is that we can see the same things as issues even if we have different ideas on how best to address the issues, but these days it seems that if I don't entirely agree with someone's proposed solution it's assumed I don't think the problem is worth addressing.

One thing I really notice is missing in a lot of discussions is a sense that no solution is perfect. I have a friend who, on the face of things, I disagree with on just about everything where politics are concerned, and yet she's someone who I have a lot of respect for politically speaking. She can see that her solution has shortcomings, and she can see that my solution has merits even if she prefers her solution. It's hugely refreshing to discuss political things with someone who has a different perspective but who wants to find a solution, to figure which approach might be best, maybe to blend more than one approach to try and fill some of the shortcomings in both, rather than someone who just wants to call me names for not falling into line with whatever they are parroting today.
 

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That's something I'd like to know...when did it become normal to demonize those who have a different opinion in politics?
 

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This article sums up a lot:

 

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This article sums up a lot:


That was actually a good article. Compare the rallies where Kamala had the celebrities who are so out of touch with the regular voters that they couldn't possibly understand what it's like to make choices on which bills to pay due to a bad economy. Trump voters may have voted for their own economic circumstances, but they also voted to save the Amish farmers who are suffering due to the Bidenomics failure. They voted to save the single parents who don't know how they'll put food on the table next week.

Trump is actually a rich guy who gets it that there are so many poor people in need of a financial turn. He wants to help us improve our lives, and the elites still call us hateful, misogynist bigots.
 

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This article sums up a lot:


I think they key point it made was that Trump is a bad choice but still better than Harris.

I often wonder when I see Democrats whining about how people could have voted for a convicted felon or a (Trump shortcoming) person. And it's a fair question to ask, even if the felony conviction looked like the most brazen grubby political stitch up job imaginable. But it doesn't say much for their candidate when millions of people still preferred a (list Trump shortcomings) candidate to her.
 

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On another note, an article I read recently about the political left in the UK also talked about the concept of the intellectual elite. Where the UK Labour Party (loosely equivalent to US Democrats) once represented the working man it increasingly represents the urban elite. The article talked of the professional managerial classes, the ones whose message to the little people is often little more than "we know what we're talking about, we know best, so shut up and do as you're told". It's not surprising that people push back against that. It's even less surprising when the country known as "the land of the free" contains more people who push back against it.

As the MSN article said, when it's presented that you're too stupid to see how good the economy is when you're struggling to put gas in your car, it doesn't make the little people think how great it must be in reality, it's more likely to make them think that they don't matter to the powers that be. If they don't matter to the powers that be they'll vote for some other "powers that be". And a lot of the time "the economy is doing really well" often means that the people with nicely padded retirement funds and brokerage accounts are doing very well, which is great if you're the kind of person who has a retirement fund and a brokerage account. If you can barely afford to keep the lights on the record rises in the stock market don't actually mean a whole lot.
 

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That was actually a good article. Compare the rallies where Kamala had the celebrities who are so out of touch with the regular voters that they couldn't possibly understand what it's like to make choices on which bills to pay due to a bad economy. Trump voters may have voted for their own economic circumstances, but they also voted to save the Amish farmers who are suffering due to the Bidenomics failure. They voted to save the single parents who don't know how they'll put food on the table next week.

Trump is actually a rich guy who gets it that there are so many poor people in need of a financial turn. He wants to help us improve our lives, and the elites still call us hateful, misogynist bigots.
But it still doesn't excuse his crimes and also his over-the-top vileness where he even mocked war veterans. As I said in another thread, I won't be a coward who acts like nothing happened.

 

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Personally, I think Biden would have done better than Kamala in the elections. He probably wouldn't have won either, but he would have fared better.
 

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Personally, I think Biden would have done better than Kamala in the elections. He probably wouldn't have won either, but he would have fared better.

Whatever opinions we may have of Biden, at least he won a Democratic primary.

Harris fell at the first hurdle in the 2020 primaries, got shifted to the top of the ticket because even though Biden seems unable to say what a woman is he apparently needed a black one to be his running mate, and then she was coronated as the new candidate when Biden bailed at the last minute because he finally came to understand he was too old for the job.

In a way it's bizarre to think of someone who never got anywhere in the selection process being elevated to the top of the ticket because of her pigmentation and genitalia, and then people seeming surprised that the electorate rejected her.
 

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Personally, I think Biden would have done better than Kamala in the elections. He probably wouldn't have won either, but he would have fared better.

I doubt that. People are hurting because of inflation and they're not being able to pay bills...that's on the Biden Administration and who would want more of the high prices? 60% of Americans have responded and they don't want that.
 
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