Greater and lesser sins..

[visionary]

Many think that all sins are the same.. but it is not true in God's eyes. Each sin carries its own weight.

Yeshua said to Pilate "he that delivered Me to thee hath the GREATER sin." In that case, Yeshua is saying that those who trap others into doing their dirty deeds are far worse that those who carried them out.

Yeshua also spoke about "the weightier matters of the law" and "the least of the commandments," therefore breaking weightier commandments is worse than breaking the least important ones. Some sins are called "abominations" and some are not.

Even among the sins called abominations, there are degrees of abomination. In Ezk. ch. 8, God pointed out to Ezekiel a "GREAT abomination," then a GREATER abomination," then 2 more that were even GREATER yet than the first 2. Therefore there are at least 5 types of abominations: simple abominations, great abominations, greater, greater, and greater abominations. The fact that God prescribed different types of punishment for different sins is further proof that all sins are not equally bad.

Homosexual acts and eating pork are both called "abominations." God prescribed the death penalty for homosexual acts, but He did not prescribe that penalty for eating pork. All sin is sin, but not all sins are of the same degree.

 

[psalms 91]

Your right Visionary, never really thought about this before

 

[Lamb]

Scripture does call out some sins as you've pointed out...and as you pointed out in another thread, if we fail in one sin, we've failed them all.

 

[Alithis]

Scripture does call out some sins as you've pointed out...and as you pointed out in another thread, if we fail in one sin, we've failed them all.

no it doesn't say that ..it says if you break one of the laws you break all the law .. and by doing so ..you sin . - i know what you meant but when we reword things we can confuse the issue a lot .

 

[Alithis]

Many think that all sins are the same.. but it is not true in God's eyes. Each sin carries its own weight.

Yeshua said to Pilate "he that delivered Me to thee hath the GREATER sin." In that case, Yeshua is saying that those who trap others into doing their dirty deeds are far worse that those who carried them out.

Yeshua also spoke about "the weightier matters of the law" and "the least of the commandments," therefore breaking weightier commandments is worse than breaking the least important ones. Some sins are called "abominations" and some are not.

Even among the sins called abominations, there are degrees of abomination. In Ezk. ch. 8, God pointed out to Ezekiel a "GREAT abomination," then a GREATER abomination," then 2 more that were even GREATER yet than the first 2. Therefore there are at least 5 types of abominations: simple abominations, great abominations, greater, greater, and greater abominations. The fact that God prescribed different types of punishment for different sins is further proof that all sins are not equally bad.

Homosexual acts and eating pork are both called "abominations." God prescribed the death penalty for homosexual acts, but He did not prescribe that penalty for eating pork. All sin is sin, but not all sins are of the same degree.

so would you apply this reasoning(perhaps) to where John writes about a sin that does not lead to death .. etc ?

 

[psalms 91]

perhaps but we must also remember that to break one is to break them all

 

[visionary]

so would you apply this reasoning(perhaps) to where John writes about a sin that does not lead to death .. etc ?

John draws a distinction in this passage between "sin unto death" and "sin not unto death." It seems to say that some sins are more serious than others, in fact, they are so severe that they cannot be forgiven but rather lead one into eternal death. John adds the note "There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that." Hard words, harsh determination to make. Sin unto death is sin that carries a person into death's clutches. How can we not pray for a last moment rescue? Yet I know that the Lord told me "once" to stop praying for someone because they had committed the "blasphemy" and from that moment on, all prayers for him hit the ceiling and went no further.

I am trying to think of sins that do not lead to death. If anyone knows one, I would like to hear it. One person suggested that it is not the sins, but the state of the person committing the sins. Those who live in the evil world willfully embracing it is the sin unto death.. for there is no hope of life there. Others who are believers, though they stumble and fall many times, are saved through prayer, repentance, Yeshua's ministry on their behalf, and overcoming sin.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Many think that all sins are the same.. but it is not true in God's eyes. Each sin carries its own weight.

Yeshua said to Pilate "he that delivered Me to thee hath the GREATER sin." In that case, Yeshua is saying that those who trap others into doing their dirty deeds are far worse that those who carried them out.

Yeshua also spoke about "the weightier matters of the law" and "the least of the commandments," therefore breaking weightier commandments is worse than breaking the least important ones. Some sins are called "abominations" and some are not.

Even among the sins called abominations, there are degrees of abomination. In Ezk. ch. 8, God pointed out to Ezekiel a "GREAT abomination," then a GREATER abomination," then 2 more that were even GREATER yet than the first 2. Therefore there are at least 5 types of abominations: simple abominations, great abominations, greater, greater, and greater abominations. The fact that God prescribed different types of punishment for different sins is further proof that all sins are not equally bad.

Homosexual acts and eating pork are both called "abominations." God prescribed the death penalty for homosexual acts, but He did not prescribe that penalty for eating pork. All sin is sin, but not all sins are of the same degree.

If you think there are greater and lesser sins, which appears to be true, then can you object to calling them mortal and venial sins?

 

[visionary]

If you think there are greater and lesser sins, which appears to be true, then can you object to calling them mortal and venial sins?

Yes... many a mobster at confession paid to have their sins reclassed as venial.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes... many a mobster at confession paid to have their sins reclassed as venial.

How can you know that?

 

[visionary]

Bought consciences sees nothing wrong with obtained indulgence.

 

[visionary]

List of venial sins

Failure to Pray Daily
Failure to accept that each person is personally responsible for his own sins
Failure to accept that Hell is real
Failure to accept that Our Merciful God allows must people to go to Hell
In all the land, says the LORD, two thirds of them shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left. (Zechariah 13:8)]
Not Loving God with your Whole Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength
Tempting God
Trying to Control Things, rather than Seeking God Will
Entertaining Thoughts Against the Faith
Failure to Learn about the Teachings of the Church
Failure (Not Seriously) to Fulfill the Duties of one’s State in Life
Playing Dungeons and Dragons, or similar games
Indifference or Ingratitude towards God
Not Trusting God
Having a Lukewarm Relationship with God
Caring more about what others think, rather than what God thinks
Not trying to grow Spiritually, and settling for mediocrity
Acedia (Spiritual Sloth or Laziness
Being Angry at God
Giving in to Depression or Self-Pity
Being Embarrassed at being a Catholic
Failure to Examine one’s Conscience Daily
Failure to Accept Unconditionally the True Teachings of the Catholic Church
Failure to Pray when Tempted
Disparaged the Church because of the recent sex scandals and cover-up
Failure to Defend the Church when it’s being Ridiculed
Not trying to Practice frequent Remembrance of God’s Presence
Failure to support the Church Financially
Failure to Support the Church by Volunteering tour Time or Skills
Refusing or Denying the Mercy of God
When voting, fail to consider the Moral standings of Politicians
Failure to Accept Suffering
Failure to Offer-Up Suffering
Putting Off Confession needlessly
Being willfully Distracted at Mass
Being willfully Distracted during Prayer
Failure to Evangelize
Attended a Catholic/non-Catholic Wedding in a non-approved setting
Attended a Wedding for a Divorcee before the death of the first spouse
Being Angry at God
Ashamed to Bless Yourself, before Grace, when eating out in public
Fail to genuflect (bend one knee) before entering the Church pew
Failure to bow, remove your hat, or Bless Yourself, etc, when passing a Church
Fail to genuflect at the name of Jesus "at the name of Jesus every knee should bend" (Phil 2:10)]
Cursing thoughtlessly
Using the Lord’s Name in surprise, or anger (without thinking or habitually)
Irreverent, Improper, or Inappropriate use of Scripture
Vulgar or Inappropriate Language
Speaking Badly about the Church
Using the names of Saints, the Blessed Mother, or the Pope Irreverently
Telling Irreverent Jokes about Sacred Persons, or Objects
Doing Limited Non-Essential Labor on Sunday
Arriving Late to Mass, or Leaving Early, without good reason
Failure to Pay Attention, or Participate at Mass
Being Irreverent at Church
Failure to spend extra time on Sunday in Study of the Faith, or Prayer
Failure to reserve Sunday for Family or Recreation
Allowing Sports or other schedules to dictate the Sunday schedule
Desecrating Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation by Sinful Amusements, or Inappropriate Entertainment, Keeping Bad Company, or Impure Thoughts
Fighting with Brothers, Sisters, or Relatives
Non-serious Disobedience to parents or those in authority
Making Fun of the Handicapped or Elderly
Failure to Help the Elderly or Handicapped
Not Praying for those Entrusted to Your Care
Not Praying for those in Authority over you (Parents, Teachers, Employers, etc.)
Being Too Strict with Rules, Boundaries, and Discipline
Being Too Lax with Rules, Boundaries, and Discipline
Failure to properly Respect Parents or Authorities
Feeling Ashamed of or Embarrassed about your parents
Lack of Gratitude toward your parents
Not trying to Cultivate Peace in your family
Failing to be a Good Example to your family
Meddling in the Affairs of Married Children
Treating Adult Children like Minors
Spoiled or Pampered your children, instead of giving them attention & affection
Nagging your Spouse or Children
Failed to lead your children to Mass, Communion and Confession
Treating those under your authority Disrespectfully
Breaking Just Civil Laws without serious reason
Taking advantage of others for your own selfish purposes
Taking one’s Spouse for Granted
Hired others for the care of your children, without good cause
Failure to Teach your Children Adequately about God, or their Spiritual Life
Failure to spend significant quality time with your children
Has your wife unnecessarily taken employment away from home, and children?
To a lesser degree: Pride, Boasting or Arrogance
Preference for Designer Label Clothes
Failure to accept that a fetus, from conception onward, is a real human person
Vanity
Stubbornness without good reason
Listening to Bad Music
Selfishness
Unnecessarily risked your life or the life of another
Wishing Evil Upon another
Seeking Revenge or Retaliation
Harboring a Grudge
Prejudice
Using Obscene or Vulgar Gestures
Anger
Fighting or Arguing over slight matters
Rudeness
Failure to Apologize
Excessive Watching of Television
Excessive playing of Computer Games
Watching Television, Movies, or DVD’s that promote Sex or Violence
Playing Computer Games that promote Sex or Violence
Excessive use of the Internet
Failure to Pray for Sinners
Using the ‘silent treatment’ on others
Failure to Pray for Deceased Parents or Relatives
Violating Friendships
Willfully doing things to others to Anger them
Failure to take Required Medications
Abusing your Medications
Treating others Unjustly
Habitual Lack of Punctuality
Procrastination
Failure to Respect the Dignity of Yourself
Failure to Respect the Dignity of others
Laziness
Smoking or Chewing Tobacco
Failure to Care for one’s Health
Driving Carelessly
Driving while Intoxicated
Intemperance (Overeating or Drinking Too Much)
Refusing to Forgive Another
Lack of Custody of the Eyes (Looking Inappropriately at others)
Keeping Bad Company
After encountering Immorality, failed to request a refund, or cancel a subscription
Selfishness in Marital Intimacy
Seeking Wrongful Attention from another
Failure to Respect Persons of the opposite sex
Treating others as Objects
Acting Immodestly, or Carrying oneself Immodestly
Dressing somewhat Immodestly
Allowing your heart to Stray from your spouse
Wasting Time
Failure to Pay Debts Promptly
Failure to Practice Charity, or to Help the Poor
Willful Failure to Return Borrowed Items
Theft of small or inexpensive items
Attachments to persons or things
Failure to keep a promise
Squandering Money on needless items or pursuits
Gossiping
Lying
Spreading Rumors
Talking behind another’s back
Making Rash Judgments
Being Unjustly Suspicious
Being Negative, Critical, or Uncharitable in thought, about others
Failing to Restore the Good Name of others you’ve Injured Verbally
Cheating at Games or School Work, etc.
Flattery
Bragging or Boasting
Speaking Unkindly to, or about others
Exaggerating the Truth
Complaining, whining, or Seeking Attention
Looking at Immodest Pictures or persons
Playing with Temptation, or Curiosity about Temptation
Not trying to Control your Imagination
Brief Entertainment of Impure Thoughts, or Fantasies
Telling or Listening to Impure or Vulgar Jokes or Stories
Sadness or Anger at the Good Fortune of Another (Mild Envy)
Desire for the Goods of Another (Mild Jealousy)
Failure to distance yourself from the world’s wealth (Mild Greed)
Materialism
Not Trusting that God will provide All Material and Spiritual Needs
Attachments to Riches or Material Goods

http://www.followthissite.com/list-of-sins.php

This is an interesting list to read through... Some I see as sins, plain and simple... for example Yeshua stated that lusting is as bad as committing the adultery...

Some are very much invented by RCC to control its congregation and not something God would endorse.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I do not think that one can list venial sins any more than one can list mortal sins. But maybe one can list some sins that are serious and some that are less serious. You tried to do that in an earlier post didn't you? Venial sins are less serious sins. Mortal sins are serious in matter and deliberate in intention.

 

[psalms 91]

Yet all sin is sin and will be punished if not repented of

 

[Cassia]

Sin (the natural state of mankind) can be likened unto a tree ... following so far? Think of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and Adam (male and female) being removed from the other tree which is the tree of life at the fall. So our basic nature now is rooted in this tree. Sins are the fruit of the sin tree. Romans 7:8-19

Nothing removes the record of our sins before God or the stains of guilt from our conscience. Only the blood of Jesus can deal with our sins. John 1:7,9
God’s remedy applied to our “sins” needs belief in God’s word to receive the effect of Christ’s blood thru confessing our sins to God.

BUT after recieving forgiveness at the throne of grace by the applied blood of Christ we discover the "sin" dwells within us. Sinners are a result of their heritage and has nothing to do with behavior. The blood deals with the sins but the cross deals with the sinful nature. Romans 5:19 The only way out is to change parentage Romans 6:3-4 to be able to walk in a newness of life.

It takes a remaining in Him, as life, for the effectiveness of the cross to be ours, then "sin" has no dominion over us.
Freedom in Christ is in the difference realized between sin and sins. A daily practise of confessing our sins to Him will apply the solution of remaining in Him.

Another analogy (actually the same one) can be seen of the death of the old man becoming new in Christ in marraige and adoption.

Romans 7
An Analogy from Marriage

1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only during that person’s lifetime? 2 Thus a married woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man, she is not an adulteress.

4 In the same way, my friends, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

The Law and Sin
7 What then should we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet, if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. Apart from the law sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived 10 and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.

13 Did what is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, working death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure.

The Inner Conflict
14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. 15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17 But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, 23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin.

 

[visionary]

In that venial list of sins.. there are some I do not believe God considers as sins... Here is the problem.. The church's granted indulgences reduce the time Catholics believe they will have to spend in purgatory after they have confessed and been absolved of their sins.... indulgences can be purchased. Of course, nowadays it is just understood that financial considerations are appreciated, and the priest will indulge the patron with promises of absolution.

Biblically sins are against your neighbor, self, and God.

 

[psalms 91]

There is no purgatory, the righteous siide of hell was taken up with Jesus

 

[MoreCoffee]

In that venial list of sins.. there are some I do not believe God considers as sins... Here is the problem.. The church's granted indulgences reduce the time Catholics believe they will have to spend in purgatory after they have confessed and been absolved of their sins.... indulgences can be purchased. Of course, nowadays it is just understood that financial considerations are appreciated, and the priest will indulge the patron with promises of absolution.

Biblically sins are against your neighbor, self, and God.

Indulgences cannot be purchased. Indulgences have nothing whatever to do with obtaining absolution.

 

[psalms 91]

Indulgences cannot be purchased. Indulgences have nothing whatever to do with obtaining absolution.

removed

 

[MoreCoffee]

What you just purchase absolution? I know that there was something that priests were given money for connected to this issue or is that not done anymore

Are you trying to be offensive?

You cannot buy absolution. You cannot pay money for forgiveness. You need not give a priest any money ever. It is very wicked of you to say the sorts of things that you have said in your post.