Faith

[brightfame52]

Living by faith can only be done because they have the Holy Spirit in them. And it will be done...because they have the Holy Spirit in them.

If anyone Christ lived, died, and rose again for doesn't eventually live by his Faith, scripture in the above four instances Hab 2:4; Rom 1:17; Gal 3:11; and Heb 10:38 are lies ! Which I know the scripture is true, all men are liars !

 

[brightfame52]

Does God count ones Faith as righteousness ?​

Rom 4:5,9

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

Folks many deceivers and spiritually unlearned have taken scriptures like these and stated that they are teaching that a mans faith is counted to God as their righteousness. However thats not true, those scriptures teach that the object of ones Faith [ Christ] is their righteousness. God given Faith reveals Christ as their righteousness. Paul wrote 1 Cor 1:30

.30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Now how does one come to know if Christ has been made their righteousness of God ?

God sends a Gospel message to them, wherein the righteousness of God [Christ] is revealed to their God given Faith Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Now Faith cant be the believers righteousness when righteousness is being revealed to Faith, go figure !

 

[Lamb]

If anyone Christ lived, died, and rose again for doesn't eventually live by his Faith, scripture in the above four instances Hab 2:4; Rom 1:17; Gal 3:11; and Heb 10:38 are lies ! Which I know the scripture is true, all men are liars !

But the Holy Spirit isn't a liar and it's His job to have us bear fruit and do good works.

 

[brightfame52]

But the Holy Spirit isn't a liar and it's His job to have us bear fruit and do good works.

If anyone Christ lived, died, and rose again for doesn't eventually live by his Faith, scripture in the above four instances Hab 2:4; Rom 1:17; Gal 3:11; and Heb 10:38 are lies ! Which I know the scripture is true, all men are liars !

 

[brightfame52]

Those who continue to believe and teach that a mans faith is counted righteousness, then they fall into the snare of teaching that men are made righteous by a work of the law, or obedience to the law which contradicts the scripture Gal 2:21

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[Lamb]

Those who continue to believe and teach that a mans faith is counted righteousness, then they fall into the snare of teaching that men are made righteous by a work of the law, or obedience to the law which contradicts the scripture Gal 2:21

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if [/FONT]righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Faith is righteousness because it's God's faith. Think on that. He gives it to us.

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is righteousness because it's God's faith. Think on that. He gives it to us.

Think on this:

Those who continue to believe and teach that a mans faith is counted righteousness, then they fall into the snare of teaching that men are made righteous by a work of the law, or obedience to the law which contradicts the scripture Gal 2:21

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Even doubters weren't considered to be non-believers in scripture...think about doubting Thomas “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe” (John 20:25). No one yelled at him that he was pagan. And that's because he still had some semblance of faith...it's just he wasn't certain of that faith.

Hi, Lamb! In the Gospel of Mark, he emphasizes the disciples' unbelief. That's very understandable because they did not expect Jesus to be a suffering-Servant Messiah. They and all the Jews expected a conquering Hero who would chase the Romans away. They also expected that he would make them his Cabinet advisors in his kingdom. That's why they would argue who of them was the greatest.

In fact, one of them was Simon the Zealot, who was willing to use violence to accomplish the zealots desires. You can see why they were devastated when he died on the cross.

However, it makes their complete change three days later so much more believable that indeed Jesus had risen from the dead. And then there was Paul's amazing conversion too that verified his eyewitness account. God used the eyewitness accounts to save me at the age of 16.

 

[Lamb]

Think on this:

Those who continue to believe and teach that a mans faith is counted righteousness, then they fall into the snare of teaching that men are made righteous by a work of the law, or obedience to the law which contradicts the scripture Gal 2:21

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Faith is not the law, that's where your confusion comes in. It's by grace through faith that salvation comes, which means it's from God. It's the faith of God that saves us.

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is not the law, that's where your confusion comes in. It's by grace through faith that salvation comes, which means it's from God. It's the faith of God that saves us.

Im not confused, you are my friend

 

[Lamb]

Im not confused, you are my friend

You don't agree that God gives us faith to believe in Him?

 

[brightfame52]

You don't agree that God gives us faith to believe in Him?

Where did I say that ? This confirms that you are confused

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is Given to all whom God has imputed righteousness without works. In other words, all who have been accounted righteous for Christs sake will come to believe Rom 3:20-22

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 4:24

But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

 

[Lamb]

Where did I say that ? This confirms that you are confused

I said faith isn't the law and that it comes from God and you said I was confused.

 

[brightfame52]

I said faith isn't the law and that it comes from God and you said I was confused.

You appear confused to me

 

[brightfame52]

The Gospel of ones Salvation is revealed to Faith !​

Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard[spiritually] the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise


Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein[The Gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

And this Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22, so therefore, one must be already born of the Spirit, to have the Gospel of their Salvation revealed to them. The natural man doesn't have the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[BruceLeiter]

"Faith" (pistos) has two meanings:

1. Noun: A corpus of beliefs and views. As in "Keep the faith"
2. Verb: To trust, to rely, to depend upon, to apprehend and embrace. "Belief" can be used in this sense, too, but in a very different way than above.

The first DOES suggest something cognitive and roughly can mean the same as "beliefs"

The second is the primary meaning in Scripture and has little to do with what is understood. Here is the concept of embracing something "unseen" or "unproven." "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe" Jesus told Thomas.

In Justification, "faith" means to embrace the Cross of Christ for us (and really all the Atoning work of Jesus - His incarnation, life, death and especially resurrection). To rely on that, depend on that, trust in that, apprehend that. This is the gift and work of God and (together with the work of Christ) essential to personal justification. Thus: Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - SOLA FIDE - Soli Deo Gloria. Faith CONNECTS to the object of that faith (faith always having an object - WHAT/WHO is being trusted, embraced, apprehended). Thus the point is not so much the faith itself but the object of that faith.

But actually, faith is essential to all life, not just spiritual life. To not have faith is to be paranoid, a mental illness that debilitates. By faith we breathe, by faith we eat, by faith we drive, etc. Millions will board an airplane this year.... precious few know the physics involved in flight, few if any know everything about that plane, pilot and and crew, weather conditions during the flight, etc. AND YET they board the plane. Everything we do involves faith on some level. Justifying faith is faith in CHRIST for our personal justification.


Blessings on your New Year


- Josiah



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@Josiah, the way Paul uses the word "justification," especially in Romans, the term comes from the law courts, where a Judge justifies a person by declaring him "not guilty" and he is set free from punishment, as follows:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
Rom 3:26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Jesus is condemned (a guilty verdict) to be punished with death so that we are justified by our Judge, the Father, and we escape the eternal punishment we deserve.