Don't Let Water Baptism Stop You From The Ultimate Goal!

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Water baptism is an exciting decision that many followers of Christ make in their journey of faith. However, many believers think that once they have been baptized by water, they have reached the end goal. Water baptism is the first step towards reaching the ultimate goal of being baptized by fire, which is the Holy Spirit.

In Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist says:

“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
 

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Is Baptism simply an inert, ineffectual action or rite? A ritual act that accomplishes nothing, that God never uses for anything? Perhaps symbolizing stuff or reminding of stuff but ineffectual of anything, actually accomplishing and doing nothing? Or does Scripture suggest that it actually can accomplish something, that God can use it for something?

I can find no Scriptures that state or indicate Baptism is just a symbol or is inert. But there are several, that when taken together, suggest something quite different. Let's look at those (hopefully the program here will bring them up for you to read)...

Acts 22:16

Acts 23:8

Romans 6:3-4

1 Corinthians 6:11

1 Corinthians 12:13

Galatians 3:26-27

Ephesians 5:25-27

Colossians 2:11-12

Titus 3:5

1 Peter 3:18-22

Certainly no ONE verse above is indisputable or perspicuous, but together there is a strong indication. And of course we find nothing that indicates that it is a inert, ineffectual, useless ritual.

We need to also consider that Jesus, the Apostles and the Early Church gave great importance to this! Jesus places it along side of (and seemingly equal to) teaching in the Great Commission, for example. It seems less likely that it would be regarded as so critical if it is an inert, ineffectual ritual that changes and accomplishes nothing at all. Jesus instituted foot washing... yet it was even no significance (quite contrary to Baptism) because it was viewed as symbolic.... but why is Baptism SO stressed, including in the Great Commission on how to


Of course, we should also look to Tradition (especially early tradition) to see the witness of Christians. Indeed, we find none who view Baptism as just an inert ritual, but great things are ascribed to it. Below is just a tiny sample....

The Epistle of Barnabas (A.D. 130) “This means that we go down into the water full of sins and foulness, and we come up bearing fruit in our hearts, fear and hope in Jesus and in the Spirit.”

Shepherd of Hermas (A.D. 140?): "they descend into the water dead, and they arise alive.”

St. Justin Martyr (A.D. 160?) "And we, who have approached God through Him, have received not carnal, but spiritual circumcision, which Enoch and those like him observed. And we have received it through baptism, since we were sinners, by God’s mercy; and all men may equally obtain it."

St. Irenaeus (A.D. 190?). "And when we come to refute them [i.e. those heretics], we shall show in its fitting-place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith."

St. Irenaeus (A.D. 190?) "“Now, this is what faith does for us, as the elders, the disciples of the apostles, have handed down to us. First of all, it admonishes us to remember that we have received baptism for the remission of sins in the name of God the Father, and in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became incarnate and died and raised."

St. Clement of Alexandra (A.D. 215?) "The same also takes place in our case, whose exemplar Christ became. Being baptized, we are illuminated; illuminated, we become sons; being made sons, we are made perfect; being made perfect, we are made immortal."

St. Clement of Alexandra (A.D. 215?) "For it is said, “Put on him the best robe,” which was his the moment he obtained baptism. I mean the glory of baptism, the remission of sins, and the communication of the other blessings, which he obtained immediately he had touched the font."

St. Cyprian (A.D. 255) responding to a man who was asking him the specific question of whether or not the pouring of water in baptism would be valid: "You have asked also, dearest son, what I thought about those who obtain the grace of God while they are weakened by illness – whether or not they are to be reckoned as legitimate Christians who have not been bathed with the saving water, but have had it poured over them."

There are countless more. My point here is not the individual things here said, but the unavoidable and universal affirmation that Baptism is not an inert, ineffectual, mere ritual... and nowhere do we see any sense of it as some "outward ritual indicating an inward decision." Universally, baptism is seen as something God uses to accomplish something.

Where are the Scriptures.... where are the testimonies of early Christians.... stating "Baptism does nothing" "Baptism is just a symbol"




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Is Baptism simply an inert, ineffectual action or rite? A ritual act that accomplishes nothing, that God never uses for anything? Perhaps symbolizing stuff or reminding of stuff but ineffectual of anything, actually accomplishing and doing nothing? Or does Scripture suggest that it actually can accomplish something, that God can use it for something?

I can find no Scriptures that state or indicate Baptism is just a symbol or is inert. But there are several, that when taken together, suggest something quite different. Let's look at those (hopefully the program here will bring them up for you to read)...

Acts 22:16

Acts 23:8

Romans 6:3-4

1 Corinthians 6:11

1 Corinthians 12:13

Galatians 3:26-27

Ephesians 5:25-27

Colossians 2:11-12

Titus 3:5

1 Peter 3:18-22

Certainly no ONE verse above is indisputable or perspicuous, but together there is a strong indication. And of course we find nothing that indicates that it is a inert, ineffectual, useless ritual.

We need to also consider that Jesus, the Apostles and the Early Church gave great importance to this! Jesus places it along side of (and seemingly equal to) teaching in the Great Commission, for example. It seems less likely that it would be regarded as so critical if it is an inert, ineffectual ritual that changes and accomplishes nothing at all. Jesus instituted foot washing... yet it was even no significance (quite contrary to Baptism) because it was viewed as symbolic.... but why is Baptism SO stressed, including in the Great Commission on how to


Of course, we should also look to Tradition (especially early tradition) to see the witness of Christians. Indeed, we find none who view Baptism as just an inert ritual, but great things are ascribed to it. Below is just a tiny sample....

The Epistle of Barnabas (A.D. 130) “This means that we go down into the water full of sins and foulness, and we come up bearing fruit in our hearts, fear and hope in Jesus and in the Spirit.”

Shepherd of Hermas (A.D. 140?): "they descend into the water dead, and they arise alive.”

St. Justin Martyr (A.D. 160?) "And we, who have approached God through Him, have received not carnal, but spiritual circumcision, which Enoch and those like him observed. And we have received it through baptism, since we were sinners, by God’s mercy; and all men may equally obtain it."

St. Irenaeus (A.D. 190?). "And when we come to refute them [i.e. those heretics], we shall show in its fitting-place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole [Christian] faith."

St. Irenaeus (A.D. 190?) "“Now, this is what faith does for us, as the elders, the disciples of the apostles, have handed down to us. First of all, it admonishes us to remember that we have received baptism for the remission of sins in the name of God the Father, and in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became incarnate and died and raised."

St. Clement of Alexandra (A.D. 215?) "The same also takes place in our case, whose exemplar Christ became. Being baptized, we are illuminated; illuminated, we become sons; being made sons, we are made perfect; being made perfect, we are made immortal."

St. Clement of Alexandra (A.D. 215?) "For it is said, “Put on him the best robe,” which was his the moment he obtained baptism. I mean the glory of baptism, the remission of sins, and the communication of the other blessings, which he obtained immediately he had touched the font."

St. Cyprian (A.D. 255) responding to a man who was asking him the specific question of whether or not the pouring of water in baptism would be valid: "You have asked also, dearest son, what I thought about those who obtain the grace of God while they are weakened by illness – whether or not they are to be reckoned as legitimate Christians who have not been bathed with the saving water, but have had it poured over them."

There are countless more. My point here is not the individual things here said, but the unavoidable and universal affirmation that Baptism is not an inert, ineffectual, mere ritual... and nowhere do we see any sense of it as some "outward ritual indicating an inward decision." Universally, baptism is seen as something God uses to accomplish something.

Where are the Scriptures.... where are the testimonies of early Christians.... stating "Baptism does nothing" "Baptism is just a symbol"




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I never said baptism does nothing, I said this is a necessary first step in receiving the Holy Spirit which is the ultimate goal but many people stop with water baptism and do not push forward to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Peter states that baptism is s symbol of a clear conscience toward God .

1 Peter 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you(AN) also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience(AO) toward God.
 

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There is ONE baptism and we receive the Holy Spirit in it. God uses water as a means for baptism. There aren't 2 baptisms.
 

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Yes there are 2 baptisms. I explain this on my website here's an excerpt from the article, titled "Don’t Let Water Baptism Stop You From The Ultimate Goal"

Baptism By Water or Holy Spirit: What’s The Difference?​

In Acts 19, Paul explains this to new disciples in Ephesus:

Now it happened that while Apollos was in Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “On the contrary, we have not even heard if there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

Another example can be found in:

Acts 8:14-17 – When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
 

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Yes there are 2 baptisms. I explain this on my website here's an excerpt from the article, titled "Don’t Let Water Baptism Stop You From The Ultimate Goal"

Baptism By Water or Holy Spirit: What’s The Difference?​

In Acts 19, Paul explains this to new disciples in Ephesus:

Now it happened that while Apollos was in Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “On the contrary, we have not even heard if there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

Another example can be found in:

Acts 8:14-17 – When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Scriptures say there is only ONE baptism. You've split what God has put together.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The verses you've pulled from scripture show two unique cases and you should be able to recognize that the disciples were shocked in Acts 8 that the new believers HADN'T received the Holy Spirit...because they should have. "Had not YET come". Do you see that it was expected of the Holy Spirit to be paired with Baptism? Baptism is not an empty ritual. God is truly at work in it.
 
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Scriptures say there is only ONE baptism. You've split what God has put together.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The verses you've pulled from scripture show two unique cases and you should be able to recognize that the disciples were shocked in Acts 8 that the new believers HADN'T received the Holy Spirit...because they should have. "Had not YET come". Do you see that it was expected of the Holy Spirit to be paired with Baptism? Baptism is not an empty ritual. God is truly at work in it.
Mark 10:9
 

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Yes one baptism of repentance not two and one baptism of the Holy Spirit Jesus said in the book of acts John baptized with water but you will be baptized by the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

John the Baptist had been baptizing for years and no one received the Holy Spirit until after Jesus was glorified.
 

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This is in reference to marriage you are taking it out of context and applying it to baptism.
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I assumed the context was quite clear to those of the bodily household known as a bride hidden from the enemies gaze.
1 kings 18:33
Are you sure that context has been given to your soul?

Blessings Always
 

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I assumed the context was quite clear to those of the bodily household known as a bride hidden from the enemies gaze.
1 kings 18:33
Are you sure that context has been given to your soul?

Blessings Always
This scripture is speaking of Elijah’s role of teaching the people to add repentance to there sacrifice of getting rid of there old ways off thinking so the Holy Spirit can be received which is the proof that God has accepted your sacrifice. This is why John the Baptist is said to have come in the spirit and power of Elijah since he also through his ministry and baptism teaches to be repentant in order to receive the Holy Spirit.
 

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This scripture is speaking of Elijah’s role of teaching the people to add repentance to there sacrifice of getting rid of there old ways off thinking so the Holy Spirit can be received which is the proof that God has accepted your sacrifice. This is why John the Baptist is said to have come in the spirit and power of Elijah since he also through his ministry and baptism teaches to be repentant in order to receive the Holy Spirit.
John 14:26
2 Corinthians 7:10
Hebrews 10

A single washing of starlight in the fluidity of time.

Blessed be The Holy One
 

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There is ONE baptism and we receive the Holy Spirit in it. God uses water as a means for baptism. There aren't 2 baptisms.
Romans 16:17
 

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I don’t know what you meant by posting these scriptures in relation to water baptism since you did not explain your position on the matter.

John 10 is merely explaining that the Holy Spirit shall teach us all things and confirm 1John which states we have no need for anyone to teach us the word since the anointing of the Holy Spirit shall teach us all things.


Hebrews 10 is speaking of Jesus sacrifice
For our sins.


2 Corinthians 7:10 is stating that a Godly repentance produces no regret (as in you will never regret this type of repentance).


What does any of this have to do with water baptism and the Holy Spirit baptism?
 

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“I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain’t so.”
- Josh Billings (Compendium of Wit, 1874)
Knowing what ain’t so is knowing nothing why are you quoting other people other than Jesus?
 

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Romans 16:17

This scripture is speaking of people who are dividing people from the word of God not church traditions. Church traditions is how people are pulled away from the word of God.

Mark 7:9 Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.
 

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1 Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you


Right. Not, "it's the first step you take toward saving yourself."


Also note Ephesians 4:5. There are NOT two Baptisms (one water, another of the Holy Spirit), the view that there are TWO Baptisms flat out contradicts clear Scripture. John the Baptist (a JEWISH prophet) notes Water Baptism and Holy Spirit Baptism but he does not say "Thus there will be TWO different Baptisms" (which would make him or Ephesians 4:5 lying). It seems to me, the obvious reading is that in the NEW Covenant, Baptism will be water AND spirit.





John 10 is merely explaining that the Holy Spirit shall teach us all things and confirm 1John which states we have no need for anyone to teach us the word since the anointing of the Holy Spirit shall teach us all things.


It says "US." It does not say "ME." US - it's plural, it's corporate, it's communal, it refers to the ENTIRE church catholic - to ALL Christians (past, present and future) TOGETHER. It does not say, "And the Holy Spirit will reveal just bunches of new and weird things to ONE person such as Arius or maybe it's Joseph Smith or maybe it's Mary Baker Eddy or maybe it's Jim Jones, you won't be told which one is being lead." Christianity has agreed with this verse, the Holy Spirit teaches and guides US - every Christian TOGETHER, "us" in the plural.... it has rejected that the Holy Spirit teaches and guides any individual egotistical bozo who feels the extreme need to be regarded as unaccountable. This HISTORIC and ECUMENICAL guidance is what Christianity calls Tradition. Self declaring self THE Guided One is what Scripture calls disunity and the subject of what Scripture so often warns as false prophets.


A blessed Christmas Season to you and yours...



Josiah


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