USA Donald Trump on illegal immigrants

[psalms 91]

Here how Trump works.
(BTW, his parents lived like 10 min away from me. Good people, according to my brother-in law's mother)

Trump makes deals.

We all know Trump wants a Wall.
In order to get a Wall the best way is not to push it, but have people asking for it.


So he made additional 2 proposals -
1. Deport 11 million illegal immigrants
2. Resolve the "anchor babies" issue.
3. Build a Wall that cannot be penetrated.

1 and 2 are highly complex and clearly he would not go for it.
3 is as easy as it ever gets for Trump. He builds skyscrapers.

But if he proposes ONLY the Wall people would start debating, yes, no, maybe, how, when, why ...

However, if you propose 1 and 2 in addition to 3 ... everyone would pick 3 ... because 1 and 2 are just too scary.

You give people choices, 1,2 or 3.
You already want 3, but you lead everyone else to ASK for 3 in order to avoid 1 and 2

Deal-making.

We should have a Great Wall of Trump and Spanish Americans would be celebrating it, since they do not want 1 or 2.

Trump is exceptionally good at making deals.

I am really optimistic about him running.

Who knows, maybe I would finally get to vote after so many years.

Thanks,
Ed

Hi Ed, good to see you

 

[Hammster]

Ahhhhh, sounds good. I love sarcasm. LOL

I wish there was a font.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

 

[Doublemint]

Hi Ed, good to see you

:wave:

 

[Josiah]

It SHOULD be a rule violation to IN ANY WAY reference Adolf Hitler when speaking of any politician today - so I won't.


THAT said, as a resident of southern California, I know this is a very serious problem and I'm TIRED of politicians kicking the can down the road and even more sick of politicians USING it to their OWN advantage with nothing constructive to actually do about it. AND as a Christian, I can't help but remember all the Bible verses about the sojourner in our midst, the foreigner among us. We NEED to address the issue..... we NEED to do so with love. Ask me exactly how to do this and I'll admit my ignorance (but then, I'm not running for president, either!). WE - all of us - need to talk about SOLUTIONS, not stirring up hate, not looking for scapegoats, not picking ourselves up by knocking others down.


BTW, I think MOST Hispanics come here for EXACTLY the same reasons European immigrants did: to make a better life (economicly) and (at times) to escape lands of injustice and violence and persecution. My ancestors couldn't speak English either when they came to this country... they too faced some persecution (especially during World War One). We just need to get a HANDLE on it, PROCESS it in a way that will benefit THEM (as well as us).


BTW, a "wall" isn't going to keep anyone "out." IF our desire to keep others out, then make it hard for them to make money here: that's the MAIN driver, the draw, the reason. It's not to see if they can get through or around a wall. But frankly, I think the focus should not be in how to keep out but to how to make this a mutual blessing in this land of IMMIGRANTS. (What if the Indians built a wall to keep us out, lol).


BTW, I HATE how folks are always talking about Hispanics...... Many immigrants come from other lands. Is anyone watching what's happening in Europe right how????


Sorry.


- Josiah

 

[Josiah]

hi ed, good to see you

hummmmm....... The Ed I know from "the website that shall not be named?"

 

[Highlander]

It SHOULD be a rule violation to IN ANY WAY reference Adolf Hitler when speaking of any politician today - so I won't.

Hi Josiah,

Why should Hitler not be referenced? If this is a free political discussion, there should be no holds barred.

BTW, I think MOST Hispanics come here for EXACTLY the same reasons European immigrants did: to make a better life (economicly) and (at times) to escape lands of injustice and violence and persecution. My ancestors couldn't speak English either when they came to this country... they too faced some persecution (especially during World War One). We just need to get a HANDLE on it, PROCESS it in a way that will benefit THEM (as well as us).

A good number of Hispanics come here to work, but many of them also come here because they know we will give them free room/board, free healthcare, free educations, etc. And this is a major reason why California is always on the brink of bankruptcy. In reality, it is not free. The taxpayers have to foot the bill.

Nothing at all wrong with immigrating to the USA -- LEGALLY -- because that is how our country was formed. But they must come through the front door and not sneak in.

BTW, a "wall" isn't going to keep anyone "out." IF our desire to keep others out, then make it hard for them to make money here: that's the MAIN driver, the draw, the reason. It's not to see if they can get through or around a wall. But frankly, I think the focus should not be in how to keep out but to how to make this a mutual blessing in this land of IMMIGRANTS. (What if the Indians built a wall to keep us out, lol).

To be honest with you, a wall will indeed keep people out. That's why they are built. You are looking with too much emotion when saying, "the focus should not be in how to keep out but to how to make this a mutual blessing in this land of IMMIGRANTS." Remember that most of these illegals are NOT immigrants. They are stowaways here to live out of our pocketbooks. Only those who are able to make a living here -- and arrive legally -- should be allowed in this country. that's the way it had always been in the USA and that is the way it is with most other countries. Countries have laws and have borders. And those must be respected.

BTW, I HATE how folks are always talking about Hispanics...... Many immigrants come from other lands. Is anyone watching what's happening in Europe right how????

People don't talk about "Hispanics." They talk about ILLEGALS -- doesn't matter what their race is. It is the illegal status AND the financial drain that people are opposed to. You must learn to understand this, Josiah.

 

[Josiah]

IMO, a wall accomplishes close to nothing. It might "keep out" the very poorest, but the rest will just get a boat or a plane and avoid it. All one needs to do is fly to Canada for example. Rent a car to the border, and walk across the boarder between Alberta and Montana, rent a car. Bingo. If we can do virtually nothing to keep drugs from crossing the boarder, we can do virtually nothing to keep people out. Off the coast of southern california are lots of boats..... no one investigates. They put into the harbor at Oceanside or whatever..... bingo. It's a LITTLE more expensive than walking across the boarder but anyone who WANTS to do it - can. And does.

And again, remember - immigrants come illegally from almost every nation on earth! I understand that a few years ago, my Lutheran church had a family (pretty active, I guess) from CANADA that was deported. They came here for medical care (which they paid for) which was not available in Canada - eventually the 'feds' found them and deported them. She died soon thereafter. We have illegal immigation from Canada, all over Asia, the middle east, Africa, eastern Europe, Russia - a wall along the Mexican boarder does nothing for all these. Mexicans will simply enter the same way they do. IF the goal is to keep people out, then we need to eliminate what typically draws them here: JOBS, MONEY.



As for the freebees, I agree.... SOME immigrants come to do nothing. But I've seen no EVIDENCE that's typically the case. But yes, services to them IS a major problem for states - especially those on the boarder like California, Arizona, Texas. We have school districts where MOST of the students are likely children of illegal immigrants (I say "likely" becasue the federal government has made it illegal to learn if such is the case; keeps the feds off the hook); we have emergency rooms where MOST are LIKELY illegal immigrants. But, I simply ask, what ELSE should we do? If someone has been a car accident, so we let them die by the side of the road without medical care because they MIGHT be illegal? Do we refuse a 6 year old girl from going to school because she MIGHT be the child of illegal immigrants? Is THAT Christian? American?



MY half cent..... as one whose ancestors came here pennyless from Germany, not speaking a word of English and having no unusual skills..... came to try to make a better life in Wisconsin.



Pax



- Josiah

 

[Highlander]

IMO, a wall accomplishes close to nothing. It might "keep out" the very poorest, but the rest will just get a boat or a plane and avoid it. All one needs to do is fly to Canada for example. Rent a car to the border, and walk across the boarder between Alberta and Montana, rent a car. Bingo. If we can do virtually nothing to keep drugs from crossing the boarder, we can do virtually nothing to keep people out. Off the coast of southern california are lots of boats..... no one investigates. They put into the harbor at Oceanside or whatever..... bingo. It's a LITTLE more expensive than walking across the boarder but anyone who WANTS to do it - can. And does.

The wall would keep ALL illegals from sneaking into our country from Mexico. And they won't find it as easy to come illegally on a plane or boat. I would also guess that the average Mexican would not have the funds or desire to fly to Canada and then rent a car to drive across our northern border.

As for us being able to do nothing to keep drugs from crossing our border -- that is actually not accurate. There is PLENTY we could do if we had the will to do so and if liberal elements in our country did not allow it to happen.

And again, remember - immigrants come illegally from almost every nation on earth! I understand that a few years ago, my Lutheran church had a family (pretty active, I guess) from CANADA that was deported. They came here for medical care (which they paid for) which was not available in Canada - eventually the 'feds' found them and deported them. She died soon thereafter. We have illegal immigation from Canada, all over Asia, the middle east, Africa, eastern Europe, Russia - a wall along the Mexican boarder does nothing for all these. Mexicans will simply enter the same way they do. IF the goal is to keep people out, then we need to eliminate what typically draws them here: JOBS, MONEY.

Yes, we probably have a small percentage of illegal immigration from some other nations, but not one of those countries has anywhere near the 12 million in the USA that the country directly south of us has. Funny how you actually stumpled across another liberal failure -- socialized medicine. It works for some in Canada, but many others there cannot get adequate care -- either because it is not available or because they have to wait in line too long to be saved.

As for the "goal," our goal is NOT to keep people out. If that were the case, we'd simply shut down any admittance to anyone from other nations. (Actually, there was virtually NO immigration allowed in the USA from the early 20th century until just a generation or so ago -- this was to give the existing immigrants enough time to assimilate into our culture and become true Americans. This is something that got lost when immigration resumed, thanks to the libs.)

In any case, the "goal" is to keep ILLEGAL people out of our nation, as any nation should do. We are still welcoming LEGAL immigrants. So why would you suggest that America's goal os to "keep people out?"

As for the freebees, I agree.... SOME immigrants come to do nothing. But I've seen no EVIDENCE that's typically the case. But yes, services to them IS a major problem for states - especially those on the boarder like California, Arizona, Texas. We have school districts where MOST of the students are likely children of illegal immigrants (I say "likely" becasue the federal government has made it illegal to learn if such is the case; keeps the feds off the hook); we have emergency rooms where MOST are LIKELY illegal immigrants. But, I simply ask, what ELSE should we do? If someone has been a car accident, so we let them die by the side of the road without medical care because they MIGHT be illegal? Do we refuse a 6 year old girl from going to school because she MIGHT be the child of illegal immigrants? Is THAT Christian? American?

If you were to look at the emergency rooms in California and see the many illegals there for their FREE health services, you would realize that you are incorrect.

If there are ANY school towns anywhere in the USA that has more ILLEGAL ALIEN students than American students, then the same is on us and our liberals for promoting it.

No, the 6 year-old girl should be allowed to go to school -- in Mexico where she belongs.

As for a car accident, the USA does not just let people die along the road even if not legally there. In Mexico, this might very well happen. One of the things that separates us from them.

MY half cent..... as one whose ancestors came here pennyless from Germany, not speaking a word of English and having no unusual skills..... came to try to make a better life in Wisconsin.
Pax- Josiah

EVERY American's ancestors originally came from other nations. The difference is that they came here LEGALLY and with the desire to become part of AMERICAN culture and to help build this country. Very big difference, Josiah.

Pax - Chuck