Does the Sonship of God have an end, or is it eternal?

[SetFree]

Without Faith on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, as GOD The Son, one's belief and baptism means nothing. That because ONLY GOD can save us from our sins. None other can.

This is one of the problems with traditional Jewish thought based on the Jew's religion. They cannot grasp how The Godhead can involve 3 co-equal Persons (God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit).

Heb 1:1-8
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, "Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee?" And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?"

6 And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."

7 And of the angels He saith, "Who maketh His angels spirits, and hHs ministers a flame of fire."

8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
KJV

When Bible Scripture is speaking of Lord Jesus' Ministry with His coming in the flesh, that is where the idea of Him being 'Begotten' originates. It's about Isaiah 7:14 with one of His titles of "Immanuel", which per Matthew 1:21-23 means 'God with us'. That means Lord Jesus is NOT an angel specie, like some believe and often misinterpret the Hebrews Scripture.

 

[Manonfire63]

"Sonship," is the wrong term. Jesus is God's only begotten son. There are a lot of big theological concepts to untwist here.

Jesus Christ is Son of Man.

Son of Man is a title. Ezekiel is referenced as son of man. Son of Man may be "Born due to the sins of men." God was about to do some big things in the world, and he had a Son of Man, born due to the sins of men. There had to be a falling away.

Son of Man may be translated as Son of Adam, sort of like in "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe." Able was a Son of Adam, born to the sin of Adam. Able was the first man murdered. Able was a shepherd. The Lord is a shepherd. Son of Man is a title. Jesus uses the title in the Third Person.

Given we are looking at the Trinity in terms of authority, Jesus Christ may be seen as "Hand of the King." Authority starts somewhere. Authority is delegated. In the US Military, the President is Commander and Chief. Generals are wielding delegated authority from the Commander and Chief. This delegated authority goes down the chain of command to Colonels and Lieutenants and Sergeants.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (Mathew 28:18)

Authority came from somewhere. Authority was delegated.

But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55)

At the Right Hand of the King may be been someone who was wielding much of the Kings power and authority for him. The only way to the father is through the son.

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star. (Revelations 2:26-28)

There may be, and may have been in the past, a change in the heavens, a change in how God was ruling.

 

[Manonfire63]

In my last reply, given someone was knowledgeable about theology, they may charge me, based on what I wrote, with subordination of the son, and/or not understand how what was written applies to the Trinity.

The answer has to do with the WILL. The Will is a major theme in theology and mysticism. Was someone Willful like Nietzsche and the will? Western Occult people have tended to be Willful, like a Harry Potter, doing whatever they wanted regardless of authority. A Christian is giving his will over to God.

In Arianism, a heresy, Jesus Christ would be a demi-god more similar to a Theseus. In Arianism, Jesus will would be outside of, or different than The Father's will. In Christianity, Jesus' will aligned with The Fathers will. Jesus did the will of the father even unto death.

In Great Britain, authority starts with the King. The Prime Minister serves The King. The Prime Minister is doing the job the King may have been doing. The Prime Minister is wielding the King's authority. Two hundred or so years ago, given a monarch had a viceroy or minister whose will was vastly different than the King's, that minister may have been executed. He was probably guilty of treason.

The Father delegated authority. Jesus's will is the same as The Father's will. Jesus did the will of the father even unto death. They are of "One Mind."

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star. (Revelations 2:26-28)

He who does the Will of the Lord. The Lord is a Shepherd. (Psalms 23) Someone is giving their will over, or their will is brought low till it aligns with God's Will and Good Plans.

 

[Manonfire63]

“And when all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15:28)

The Question: What exactly does it mean that the son will be subjected to the Father?

Firstly, Oneness Pentecostals, that was done in sin. Any time a Church splits......it was due to sin. We should be of One Mind. (Philippians 2:2)

Exert from Oneness Pentacostals on Wikipedia:

In April 1913, at the Apostolic Faith Worldwide Camp Meeting held in Arroyo Seco, California, conducted by Maria Woodworth-Etter, organizers promised that God would "deal with them, giving them a unity and power that we have not yet known."[25][26] Canadian R.E. McAlister preached a "new revelation" that a baptismal formula in "the name of Jesus" only was to be preferred over the three-part Trinitarian formula formula "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" found in Matthew 28:19, pointing rather to Acts 2:38.[27][28] The revelation immediately caused controversy, with Frank Denny, a Pentecostal missionary to China, jumping on the platform and trying to censor McAlister.[29] (Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia)

That was petty. Revelation needs to be tested. There is a Christian Tradition of Revelation. Given someone is getting it most right, they may have been aligned with the Prophets of the Bible, and in being so aligned, ended up aligned with particular Saints. I was raised in a Oneness Pentecostal Church. I didn't know much about the theology or think much about it....till right now. Given someone is doing Revelations more correctly, he should be aligned with the Brethren of Believers in a Christian Tradition. Part of Protestants going Sola Scriptura was towards a total rejection of Christian Tradition in Revelation. That is dangerous and blinding. I am not a Catholic. I have been in hermit Christianity for over a decade. Someone saying that they had Revelation that is Far OFF from a tradition of revelation, that is dangerous and potentially false.

What does it mean that The Son will be subjected to him who subjected all things to him? Jesus will receive his Evaluation. How did he do?

I wrote that Son of Man is a Title. Lucifer is a Title or Function.

• “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! (Isaiah 14:12)
• “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” (Revelations 22:16)
• 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
  27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
  28 And I will give him the morning star. (Revelations 2:26-28)

Jesus is at the Right Hand of God. Lucifer or Morning Star, may have been a Title or Function. Satan was The Morning Star. Prior to Jesus, mankind had a propensity towards polytheism. That may be like Moses going away for 40 days and 40 nights, and coming back to finding Aaron and the Hewbrews with a false idol, a golden calf. After Jesus, Paganism died as the Good News Spread. Even if it was a false prophet like Muhammad, paganism was dying. There was a shift.

Jesus being The Morning Star, the guiding light, it may be like the song "Jesus Take The Wheel."

The Morning Star is a title or function, and it may have something to do with God's Judgement of Nations.

Jesus being subject to God would be Jesus having his evaluation. There are not many people who know much about that other than me, and you now, given you are seeking to be of One Mind and build The Kingdom of God. Awareness may mean that God potentially may share some things with you as well.