Does School violence begin at home?

[NewCreation435]

This research was published by barna group about school violence and what different faith groups feel like is the reason this problem exists. The article says

"Most American adults believe family dysfunction has the most formative impact on a young person’s propensity to violence. Difficult family situations such as divorce, single parenting or absent parents (51%) are the most often cited factors believed to contribute to school violence. People believe another key factor is undiagnosed or untreated mental illness (43%), followed closely by easy access to guns (40%), a reason cited by two-fifths of American adults."

link to the whole article https://www.barna.com/research/school-violence-begin-home/

What do you think?

 

[Imalive]

Well guns, cause the worst thing we have in Holland is one kid beating up another kid, against which there is an anti bully protocol. And not mental illness but meds:
https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
I disagree w this guy though. They also have guns in common. Guns are forbidden in Holland and they put a lot of kids on meds, but we never have school shootings.
And there's a lot of divorces and single moms here. Most do coparent though and they kinda force parents to get along.

 

[Albion]

"Family dysfunction" probably makes sense, although that can cover quite a range of factors. As for those who answered "easy access to guns," that's just a political reply from people who would blame guns for anything they disapprove of. Maybe Global Warming is causing kids to act up, too. It's actually somewhat distressing--but not entirely unexpected--to think that 40% of the respondents would give such a thoughtless reply to a serious question.

 

[Tigger]

"Family dysfunction" probably makes sense, although that can cover quite a range of factors. As for those who answered "easy access to guns," that's just a political reply from people who would blame guns for anything they disapprove of. Maybe Global Warming is causing kids to act up, too. It's actually somewhat distressing--but not entirely unexpected--to think that 40% of the respondents would give such a thoughtless reply to a serious question.

Right, guns have always been available to youth in the U.S. When I was growing up my father gave me his 22 single shot rifle that he used as a youth and we just didn't see the shootings that are so common place now. I think that when the norm of a healthy family unit breaks down its inevitable to progress to the wider society and now we are at epidemic levels of youth violence.

 

[NewCreation435]

Well guns, cause the worst thing we have in Holland is one kid beating up another kid, against which there is an anti bully protocol. And not mental illness but meds:
https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
I disagree w this guy though. They also have guns in common. Guns are forbidden in Holland and they put a lot of kids on meds, but we never have school shootings.
And there's a lot of divorces and single moms here. Most do coparent though and they kinda force parents to get along.

Guns aren't inherently bad or good. it is the person using them for the wrong purposes. What the article really fails to talk about is that there is something wrong within the human heart that causes this violence. it reminds me of what Jesus said in Matthew 15:18-19 "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders"

 

[NewCreation435]

"Family dysfunction" probably makes sense, although that can cover quite a range of factors. As for those who answered "easy access to guns," that's just a political reply from people who would blame guns for anything they disapprove of. Maybe Global Warming is causing kids to act up, too. It's actually somewhat distressing--but not entirely unexpected--to think that 40% of the respondents would give such a thoughtless reply to a serious question.

I'm not seeing the response of global warming in this article?

 

[Imalive]

Guns aren't inherently bad or good. it is the person using them for the wrong purposes. What the article really fails to talk about is that there is something wrong within the human heart that causes this violence. it reminds me of what Jesus said in Matthew 15:18-19 "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders"

Yes but then still they don't shoot here, simply because they can't get a gun. We had one crazy person shooting in the city a few years ago. He somehow got a gun. But now that everyone has em in America they can't turn it around anymore.

 

[Albion]

Yes but then still they don't shoot here, simply because they can't get a gun. .

Simply put, the assumption that it's because guns are less easily obtained is not convincing. There are many cultural factors that have to be considered. Incidentally, I see that there have been a lot of terrorist attacks in Europe recently. How many of these terrorists used a bomb, knife, machete, truck, or something else instead of a gun? If the availability of guns determined whether or not there would be violence, we'd have to conclude that there wouldn't be any.

 

[MoreCoffee]

a violent home life is likely to teach a child that violence is how adults solve problems.

 

[Imalive]

Simply put, the assumption that it's because guns are less easily obtained is not convincing. There are many cultural factors that have to be considered. Incidentally, I see that there have been a lot of terrorist attacks in Europe recently. How many of these terrorists used a bomb, knife, machete, truck, or something else instead of a gun? If the availability of guns determined whether or not there would be violence, we'd have to conclude that there wouldn't be any.

Yes but this is about school shootings. There are killings and shootings here, criminals killing each other or sometimes a dad kills the family if mom steals the kids and he has a gun from the military or something.
No terrorist attacks in Holland cause we bind those demons and forbid em to work through these ppl.
If guns were available to everyone we would have school shootings too I think.

 

[Imalive]

Yes yes Holland is a sweet non violent country w no guns. Was just having a conversation on a Dutch forum about how they now want to sell 'kill yourself powder' in the shops, also handy for murders and 75+ ppl who are depressed may get euthanized as a start, later the depressed teen too if it's up to that insane govt.

 

[Albion]

Yes but this is about school shootings. There are killings and shootings here, criminals killing each other or sometimes a dad kills the family if mom steals the kids and he has a gun from the military or something..

Sooo...it isn't the case that forbidding (?) guns has effectively suppressed gun violence after all. It doesn't do so here, either.

That being the case, I think even more that the issue about school violence concerns "family dysfunction" (which was the answer given by most people to the poll) rather than "easy access to guns" which a stunning 40% of respondents chose as their answer instead.

 

[Imalive]

Sooo...it isn't the case that forbidding (?) guns has effectively suppressed gun violence after all. It doesn't do so here, either.

That being the case, I think even more that the issue about school violence concerns "family dysfunction" (which was the answer given by most people to the poll) rather than "easy access to guns" which a stunning 40% of respondents chose as their answer instead.

Hmm family disfunction.. if parents are violent kids get violent too, doesn't matter if they're divorced or not.
But this is not kids from hoods with violent parents as far as I know. Don't know. Main reason is that God got kicked out I think. That's why we have abortion and euthanasia now. But about those kids.. parents are lazy and dump em before a computer. There's kids in my kids' classes who don't listen and have adhd as they call it. Well no wonder, their parents let em play adult violent games, 8 year olds. Why are there so many rapists? They let porn in. That reminds me of a prophecy. People would see violence on tv and copy it.

https://www.charismanews.com/opinio...stonishing-1968-prophecy-by-90-year-old-woman

 

[Imalive]

I looked it up on google. Bullying they say.
http://www.crisisconsultantgroup.com/school-violence-prevention/bullying-in-schools/

 

[Albion]

Hmm family disfunction.. if parents are violent kids get violent too, doesn't matter if they're divorced or not.

True.

But this is not kids from hoods with violent parents as far as I know.

Oh, you don' t have to be from the hood in order to be part of a dysfunctional family. Consider the Menendez brothers, for example.

Don't know. Main reason is that God got kicked out I think. That's why we have abortion and euthanasia now. But about those kids.. parents are lazy and dump em before a computer. There's kids in my kids' classes who don't listen and have adhd as they call it. Well no wonder, their parents let em play adult violent games, 8 year olds. Why are there so many rapists? They let porn in. That reminds me of a prophecy. People would see violence on tv and copy it.

Yep. I think you have said it well. And that's only the start of the problems that relate to family.

 

[hedrick]

I would point out that the article looks at people's opinions about causes. It's not a report of actual research. Now I'm sure people's opinions are based on experience to some extent. But before looking at policy implications I'd rather see if there isn't social science research on the topic.

 

[NewCreation435]

I would point out that the article looks at people's opinions about causes. It's not a report of actual research. Now I'm sure people's opinions are based on experience to some extent. But before looking at policy implications I'd rather see if there isn't social science research on the topic.

Do you think it would show different results? What do you think would be different?

 

[Stravinsk]

This research was published by barna group about school violence and what different faith groups feel like is the reason this problem exists. The article says

"Most American adults believe family dysfunction has the most formative impact on a young person’s propensity to violence. Difficult family situations such as divorce, single parenting or absent parents (51%) are the most often cited factors believed to contribute to school violence. People believe another key factor is undiagnosed or untreated mental illness (43%), followed closely by easy access to guns (40%), a reason cited by two-fifths of American adults."

link to the whole article https://www.barna.com/research/school-violence-begin-home/

What do you think?

To begin, I think research by barna makes a logical fallacy from the very outset - and that fallacy is called "begging the question". Here, it's not a question of whether violence exists in schools - but people are being asked the question of why as if there is only one answer - or one answer fits best or all.

It is hard to generalize these things. Would someone from a broken home be more likely to be violent? Maybe. How about a hidden, untreated mental illness? Those are popular these days - and doctors can diagnose one without a single shred of biological evidence. My guess is that for this to be a genuine reason it would be rare.

The ease of access to guns in the possible answers is really telling in my opinion. It shows the propaganda has worked well. For in reality - as much violence has occurred if someone smashes into another with their car, or killed another with a knife or cooking pan - but somehow it's sooooooooo much worse if a gun is involved instead. If two-fifths of American Adults believe the implement of violence is the actual cause of it - then it shows the propaganda is working well.

Looking back on my life as a kid I got into some punch-ups at various times and for various reasons. My parents are not, nor have ever, divorced. I wasn't raised in a violent or abusive home. Me nor my brother were never abandoned, never had access to guns, and were never diagnosed with a mental illness. The reasons specific to our different violent scraps in schools couldn't be found in a study like this that asks a begging question - but rather - by asking each of us, because that's the only way one could have a chance at having the specific reason the study is inquiring about.

 

[Imalive]

Yes you can't give one reason for killing. Both my exes wanted to kill their exes who cheated on em. One got saved then and didn't do it. He was not mentally ill. His parents weren't divorced, but he was into kickboxing and his mom hit him as a kid, not just hit, but child abuse. The other one was mentally ill and on drugs and violent video games, his parents divorced and dad never saw him and the reason he didn't kill her was 'cause I was so dumb to date him. I didn't even know it. But in both cases they were men who were angry they got cheated on.
You should have to look at all cases of school shootings and see what's in common. Bullying sounds plausible.

 

[psalms 91]

Bullying is a major factor