Do You Operate In The Flesh, Or The Spirit?

[Edward429451]

Normally when you are out and about, at work, doing errands or whatever?

Now (I assume) that we all love the moments at home in prayer or reading, dwelling time and so forth the presence of the Spirit. It does feel good. So, we know what it feels like, but then, it's time to go to to work and say Amen. Or run errands and so you begin thinking about the secular world, time, routes of driving, what you plan to do when you get there and all that. So, do you walk out the door normally, in the Spirit or in the flesh? By "in the Spirit" I mean aware of the presence of the Lord. You can feel Him inside of you.

 

[Frankj]

Normally when you are out and about, at work, doing errands or whatever?

Now (I assume) that we all love the moments at home in prayer or reading, dwelling time and so forth the presence of the Spirit. It does feel good. So, we know what it feels like, but then, it's time to go to to work and say Amen. Or run errands and so you begin thinking about the secular world, time, routes of driving, what you plan to do when you get there and all that. So, do you walk out the door normally, in the Spirit or in the flesh? By "in the Spirit" I mean aware of the presence of the Lord. You can feel Him inside of you.

I've always thought we should strive to integrate the two, such that we can be both in the world and in the Spirit at the same time all the time.

 

[Lamb]

We're both saint and sinner as believers, and at times we'll be more saint and other times we'll be more sinner. I am baptized which means that I have the gift of the Holy Spirit and covered in Christ's righteousness. I don't have to go by feelings, I know that God is with me because He told me.

 

[psalms 91]

I agree with Lamb we all operate in both depending as we are still sinners but with the Hoy Spirit we can operate in the spirit as well

 

[Edward429451]

I've always thought we should strive to integrate the two, such that we can be both in the world and in the Spirit at the same time all the time.

We are in the world but we are of of the world. It's not like you can't walk round in the Spirit. It's easy actually. As easy as when you let your sub-conscious drive the truck while you think about the coming days events or whatever. You don't wreck the truck because you subconscious is programmed to know how to drive, it even knows the way, lol.

Now then, I'm not saying to put the spirit into your subconscious. It's opposite I think with the spirit. Your conscious mind is in the Spirit while your subconscious is walking in the world.

(I think).

 

[Edward429451]

We're both saint and sinner as believers, and at times we'll be more saint and other times we'll be more sinner. I am baptized which means that I have the gift of the Holy Spirit and covered in Christ's righteousness. I don't have to go by feelings, I know that God is with me because He told me.

Why do you identify as a sinner? Does not Jesus own you? Haven't you been forgiven of your sins? So why should you identify yourself as a sinner? (That's weird to me).

I am the righteousness of God, in Christ. That's who I am. Yes it is true that I am as yet unperfected and may even slip and stumble sometimes, but it's mostly accidents through ignorance or weakness and it is most certainly not a lifestyle so I wont Identify with it. I identify with my Lord, in Christ. Period.

And it isnt really "feelings" like women would think. It's more of a perceiving than a feeling. But if I said it like that then you'd prolly get creeped out and dislike me even more, lol. So I said that very loosely mamm.

 

[Edward429451]

I agree with Lamb we all operate in both depending as we are still sinners but with the Hoy Spirit we can operate in the spirit as well

Another one? Brother, don't think like that. We are not all still sinners. Maybe you are? I am not, I am the righteousness of God in Christ. I am not a sinner, I am alive in Christ. I am a forgiven one.

I am not totally without any sin. Everyone stumbles. The Lords blood covers a multitude of sin. The Lord knows we will stumble because we are unoerfected so far. But the Lord does not look at our performance. He looks into the intentions of our heart. (You want those scriptures?)

You can't identify as a Christian Sinner. There's no such thing. So to carry the thought a wee bit further, no one can serve two Masters. So are you a sinner or a born again child of God?

As for me, I am the righteousness of God (in Christ).

I suppose in a sense, we have to operate in both but only to the extent that the soul is there and he never shuts up. Does your soul or your spirit make the decisions of what your body does?

 

[Lamb]

Why do you identify as a sinner? Does not Jesus own you? Haven't you been forgiven of your sins? So why should you identify yourself as a sinner? (That's weird to me).

I am the righteousness of God, in Christ. That's who I am. Yes it is true that I am as yet unperfected and may even slip and stumble sometimes, but it's mostly accidents through ignorance or weakness and it is most certainly not a lifestyle so I wont Identify with it. I identify with my Lord, in Christ. Period.

And it isnt really "feelings" like women would think. It's more of a perceiving than a feeling. But if I said it like that then you'd prolly get creeped out and dislike me even more, lol. So I said that very loosely mamm.

Do you sin? I'm sure you do since we are still in the flesh. That's why we say that we are at the same time saint and sinner. You won't have your perfect body until Christ comes again.

 

[Edward429451]

Do you sin? I'm sure you do since we are still in the flesh. That's why we say that we are at the same time saint and sinner. You won't have your perfect body until Christ comes again.

Well you can identify with the enemy if you want to, your choice. But I do believe that Jesus really did get crucified and then rise again to pay the price for my sins and who would deny the significance of that? I am forgiven. I am bought and paid for and I belong to Yeshua, Jesus.

If I know that in my heart, then why would I identify as a sinner? That seems dumb to me. I am not sinless yet, but I am not a sinner. If you are living in sin then perhaps you have stated it correctly for yourself?

I have not been able to achieve walking in Spirit constantly, 100% of every day. But I do it more than you think prolly. But if I could do it all the time, I would be Enoch and be taken out of here!! I'm still here. Sometimes when I'm driving down the street and looking at people in cars and stuff, I wonder if they are saved? If they need healing? Sinners dont do that kind of stuff.

Perspective Sister. Have you found a scripture tht says we can't identify with the Lord? (Lol)

 

[Lamb]

Well you can identify with the enemy if you want to, your choice. But I do believe that Jesus really did get crucified and then rise again to pay the price for my sins and who would deny the significance of that? I am forgiven. I am bought and paid for and I belong to Yeshua, Jesus.

If I know that in my heart, then why would I identify as a sinner? That seems dumb to me. I am not sinless yet, but I am not a sinner. If you are living in sin then perhaps you have stated it correctly for yourself?

I have not been able to achieve walking in Spirit constantly, 100% of every day. But I do it more than you think prolly. Sometimes when I'm driving down the street and looking at people in cars and stuff, I wonder if they are saved? If they need healing? Sinners dont do that kind of stuff.

Perspective Sister. Have you found a scripture tht says we can't identify with the Lord? (Lol)

Saying you are simultaneously saint and sinner doesn't negate your identity in Christ. It affirms the truth that you still sin.

1 John 1:8 makes it clear that “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”

 

[Frankj]

At some point maybe we should consider that there is a difference between just sinning and giving ourselves over to sin, calling right wrong and wrong right, calling good evil and evil good, calling darkness light and light darkness.

A Christian may sin, even while trying not to, but that is not the same as freely giving yourself over to a lifestyle of based on sin.

That's Biblical btw, for those that have not yet researched it.

 

[Edward429451]

Saying you are simultaneously saint and sinner doesn't negate your identity in Christ. It affirms the truth that you still sin.

1 John 1:8 makes it clear that “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.”

Can you perhaps show me where I have ever said that I am without sin? Have I not explained it in most every post?

I am not simultaneously sinner and saint. I am the righteousness of God in Christ. I belong to Him. Don't you understand what being born again is? Does not scripture say all things have become new? So why would you persist in hanging on to your Sinner nameplate? I wont.

And I'm not saying I am without sin. I am not saying that I am better than anyone (Lol), I'm saying, I have accepted the Lord's gift to me and I really Believe it.

Don't be so narrow minded.

 

[Edward429451]

At some point maybe we should consider that there is a difference between just sinning and giving ourselves over to sin, calling right wrong and wrong right, calling good evil and evil good, calling darkness light and light darkness.

A Christian may sin, even while trying not to, but that is not the same as freely giving yourself over to a lifestyle of based on sin.

That's Biblical btw, for those that have not yet researched it.

Tada!!! I guess it takes a Man to understand it. You get it Brother.

 

[Edward429451]

Do you sin? I'm sure you do since we are still in the flesh. That's why we say that we are at the same time saint and sinner. You won't have your perfect body until Christ comes again.

Do you even read my posts? It doesn't seem like it. Either that or I'm simply talking above you and you don't understand.

 

[Edward429451]

Saying you are simultaneously saint and sinner doesn't negate your identity in Christ. It affirms the truth that you still sin.

What is hard about identifying with the Lord?

I was reading about how scripture says we are to walk in the spirit, and the time is here that all men will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. And then one day I ran across the scripture that says, on that day He will say to them I never knew you. And how 1000 years to us is one day to God. So when I was praying I asked, Lord speak to me. I always said that in my morning prayer then at Amen, get up and go to work...I hadn't been giving Him a chance to answer! What if the Lord said, just a minute...?? !! It might be a couple years! I have to slow down my prayers and understand that, Prayer is not a Monologue, Prayer is a Dialogue.

And boy, I wouldn't want to be one of the ones that Jesus has to say I never knew you to them so I got the bright idea to do a couple things. I started pausing in prayer and giving Him a chance to answer, and...I started inviting Him to go to work with me! And He never denied me, in fact He said He will never leave me or forsake me. So I do (did) 5-8 different locations per day doing repair service (Heat(Air), so I would talk to Him all the time in the truck between call locations. Then I would get to the call and (this is embarrassing), leave Him in the truck and go back into my flesh so I could go in and do the job.

I still didn't get it! Ok so I was talking to Him more and instead of me being one who He says to, I never knew you, He might say, yeah this is the one who would never shut up! Lol I didn't realize that I was leaving my Lord in the truck, wait here? Geez! But it didn't click until one day I had a job, and it did not go well. I got so frustrated that i was about to pray about the job...and it clicked in my mind, You left Him in the Truck! I felt so bad. So I invited Him in and (He didn't even use the front door!) He was just there. and at that point, things started falling into place concerning the job. A wee bit spooky unless I consider that, I literally invited the Creator of the Universe to go in a Customers house with me and He was really there. Everything clicked right into place! Praise the Lord.

And when I finished and loaded up the truck and sat down with the Customer, He was still with me. I felt (perceived) His presence. I was walking in the Spirit and doing a financial transaction in the secular world where you have to be "Worldly Professional" and, everything went fine. So I never left Him in the truck after that!

How could I do that in the first place? Take my eyes off of the Lord by leaving Him in the truck. I got this you wait here?! We see in scripture what happens when you take your eyes of the Lord (The eyes of your Heart), he started sinking. I was sinking too when I was in the house alone, I walked away from the friend who sticks closer than a Brother and as soon as I got Him back by my side everything went well for me.

I pondered those things and began to understand that, it takes total surrender. It can't be, well Jesus you make 10 of the big decisions (the big ones) and I'll make the other 90% in the world...It don't work like that. Come out of the world and do only what the Spirit says to do.

I started doing that (as much as I can) and this is phenomenal. Sometimes I wonder if Jesus might have, allowed me to have some difficulty on that Job because I left Him in the truck?! He does have a sense of Humor, lol. He knew it wouldn't take much to frustrate me because electrical troubleshooting is cut and dry with the right instruments, until it isn't! Grr.

So try Believing, and hang out with your friend who sticks closer than a Brother. Remain in the spirit all day every day. It pretty much requires praying unceasingly!

I admit I am not fond of inviting Jesus to go with me to the grocery store. Whenever I say, Lord should I buy this? He says no...(Facepalm).

 

[Edward429451]

Saying you are simultaneously saint and sinner doesn't negate your identity in Christ. It affirms the truth that you still sin.

Why do you need to affirm that you are a sinner when you are in Christ, in the Spirit?

Galatians 5:18
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law..../KJV

 

[Lamb]

At some point maybe we should consider that there is a difference between just sinning and giving ourselves over to sin, calling right wrong and wrong right, calling good evil and evil good, calling darkness light and light darkness.

A Christian may sin, even while trying not to, but that is not the same as freely giving yourself over to a lifestyle of based on sin.

That's Biblical btw, for those that have not yet researched it.

Why is it that every single one of your responses to me has some sort of condescending/flaming remark?

I really don't care to reply to people who have to make things personal instead of keeping it strictly about beliefs.

Tada!!! I guess it takes a Man to understand it. You get it Brother.

Do you even read my posts? It doesn't seem like it. Either that or I'm simply talking above you and you don't understand.

What is hard about identifying with the Lord?

I was reading about how scripture says we are to walk in the spirit, and the time is here that all men will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. And then one day I ran across the scripture that says, on that day He will say to them I never knew you. And how 1000 years to us is one day to God. So when I was praying I asked, Lord speak to me. I always said that in my morning prayer then at Amen, get up and go to work...I hadn't been giving Him a chance to answer! What if the Lord said, just a minute...?? !! It might be a couple years! I have to slow down my prayers and understand that, Prayer is not a Monologue, Prayer is a Dialogue.

And boy, I wouldn't want to be one of the ones that Jesus has to say I never knew you to them so I got the bright idea to do a couple things. I started pausing in prayer and giving Him a chance to answer, and...I started inviting Him to go to work with me! And He never denied me, in fact He said He will never leave me or forsake me. So I do (did) 5-8 different locations per day doing repair service (Heat(Air), so I would talk to Him all the time in the truck between call locations. Then I would get to the call and (this is embarrassing), leave Him in the truck and go back into my flesh so I could go in and do the job.

I still didn't get it! Ok so I was talking to Him more and instead of me being one who He says to, I never knew you, He might say, yeah this is the one who would never shut up! Lol I didn't realize that I was leaving my Lord in the truck, wait here? Geez! But it didn't click until one day I had a job, and it did not go well. I got so frustrated that i was about to pray about the job...and it clicked in my mind, You left Him in the Truck! I felt so bad. So I invited Him in and (He didn't even use the front door!) He was just there. and at that point, things started falling into place concerning the job. A wee bit spooky unless I consider that, I literally invited the Creator of the Universe to go in a Customers house with me and He was really there. Everything clicked right into place! Praise the Lord.

And when I finished and loaded up the truck and sat down with the Customer, He was still with me. I felt (perceived) His presence. I was walking in the Spirit and doing a financial transaction in the secular world where you have to be "Worldly Professional" and, everything went fine. So I never left Him in the truck after that!

How could I do that in the first place? Take my eyes off of the Lord by leaving Him in the truck. I got this you wait here?! We see in scripture what happens when you take your eyes of the Lord (The eyes of your Heart), he started sinking. I was sinking too when I was in the house alone, I walked away from the friend who sticks closer than a Brother and as soon as I got Him back by my side everything went well for me.

I pondered those things and began to understand that, it takes total surrender. It can't be, well Jesus you make 10 of the big decisions (the big ones) and I'll make the other 90% in the world...It don't work like that. Come out of the world and do only what the Spirit says to do.

I started doing that (as much as I can) and this is phenomenal. Sometimes I wonder if Jesus might have, allowed me to have some difficulty on that Job because I left Him in the truck?! He does have a sense of Humor, lol. He knew it wouldn't take much to frustrate me because electrical troubleshooting is cut and dry with the right instruments, until it isn't! Grr.

So try Believing, and hang out with your friend who sticks closer than a Brother. Remain in the spirit all day every day. It pretty much requires praying unceasingly!

I admit I am not fond of inviting Jesus to go with me to the grocery store. Whenever I say, Lord should I buy this? He says no...(Facepalm).

Why do you need to affirm that you are a sinner when you are in Christ, in the Spirit?

Galatians 5:18
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law..../KJV

 

[Frankj]

Why is it that every single one of your responses to me has some sort of condescending/flaming remark?

I really don't care to reply to people who have to make things personal instead of keeping it strictly about beliefs.

I didn't address that to you, I addressed it to the general discussion. It was most certainly not intended as anything personal to anyone in particular.

And I definitely don't see how it is condescending to anyone here, it was not intended to be, perhaps you could elucidate on that so that I can word things differently in the future?

 

[Lamb]

Maybe you shouldn't quote me then if you aren't addressing me? Since you say that it wasn't toward me in all of them, I'll quote the obvious ones that were meant to be jabs toward me personally.

These are condescending and could be considered flaming if it had been reported. Please read the thread on Examples of Flaming:

I guess it takes a Man to understand it

I'm simply talking above you and you don't understand

 

[Frankj]

Maybe you shouldn't quote me then if you aren't addressing me? Since you say that it wasn't toward me in all of them, I'll quote the obvious ones that were meant to be jabs toward me personally.

These are condescending and could be considered flaming if it had been reported. Please read the thread on Examples of Flaming:

I guess it takes a Man to understand it

I'm simply talking above you and you don't understand

Lamb, are you sure you aren't confusing me with a different poster?

Please re read my posts and direct me to where I am offending you personally, I certainly haven't intended to (or anyone else for that matter) and would like to avoid it in the future if I can.

I generally just say what I believe and don't try much to win arguments since I only see things from where I am and find the whole picture something I have to search out through others who see a different part of it.

May your day bring you many good things.