Do you believe in the rapture?

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Jesus condemned millennialism, a Pharisee invention, in the gospels.
You have NO Scripture to back that up. Instead, that is an orthodox Jewish doctrine you are pushing.
 

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You bear false witness, so may my Heavenly Father rebuke you.
If Christ comes in the rapture, and then at the end of a millennium. What does it add up to? 1? 2? or 3? returns?
 

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You have NO Scripture to back that up. Instead, that is an orthodox Jewish doctrine you are pushing.
This is long, but I'll donate it to your studies.

Daniel said; “And in the days of these kings [Old Roman Empire] shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” Daniel 2:44 (NCPB)

“And [Jesus] saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.” Matthew 10:23 (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 (KJV 1900)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” Acts 8:12 (KJV 1900)

“That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.” 1 Thessalonians 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.” Acts 19:8 (KJV 1900)

“And when thy days [David] be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

“For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.” Psalm 22:28 (NCPB)

“Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:” 2 Thessalonians 1:5 (KJV 1900)

“For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.” Luke 7:28 (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.” Luke 18:17 (KJV 1900)

“And it came about that when He had reclined at the table with them, He took the bread and blessed it, and breaking it, He began giving it to them.” Luke 24:30 (NASB)

“For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Luke 22:16 (KJV 1900)

“And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.” Luke 24:30–31 (KJV 1900)
 

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I certainly have been clear, very... clear, as to what I have said, and even provided Scripture to prove it. So are you telling me you don't understand me either when I say I believe in ONLY ONE time that Christ Jesus returns to gather His Church, and that will be AFTER the coming "great tribulation" He taught? Are you telling me you don't understand that either?

I haven't really been paying attention to this thread and it's not about me anyway. The owner and myself as Admin do not want members making things personal...direct your replies to what others believe. That is often "personal" but is not their person. That's the difference.
 

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I haven't really been paying attention to this thread and it's not about me anyway. The owner and myself as Admin do not want members making things personal...direct your replies to what others believe. That is often "personal" but is not their person. That's the difference.

Key to that post..."I havent really been paying attention".

Good luck

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One of the greatest failures of the pre-trib rapture doctrine is that it needs 3 returns of Christ instead of the 2 scripture speaks of. That is one return before its tribulation. Another is at the end of the tribulation, or the start of the millennium. and another at the end of the world.

A Major error also develops from Jesus saying flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom. This means only glorified saints are present during the Millennium. This would mean that after Satan is loosed, he rallies some glorified saints in heavenly bodies against other glorified saints in heavenly bodies in an armageddon style battle against each other. Wow!!!
 

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I don’t understand how the rapture fits into the Bible.

Mark 13 says that Jesus gathers his elect AFTER the great tribulation. But if the rapture happens BEFORE the tribulation, then why would he need to gather his elect after the tribulation if he already raptured them beforehand? I don’t get it. I honestly don’t get it.
 
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