Do you believe Christians ought to practice their 2nd amendment rights by owning assault weapons?

[NathanH83]

Some Christian groups like Anabaptist, Mennonite, and Amish believe in “non-resistance” where they don’t fight back if someone attacks them, and they won’t volunteer to join the army.


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[Origen]

You mean "assault" not "a Salt."

 

[Lamb]

I fixed the title.

 

[NathanH83]

One thing that gets me is that the Amish benefit from the US army’s protection, but won’t contribute to it, and aren’t even thankful that the army protects them from foreign invaders and terrorist groups.


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[Lamb]

One thing that gets me is that the Amish benefit from the US army’s protection, but won’t contribute to it, and aren’t even thankful that the army protects them from foreign invaders and terrorist groups.


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What proof do you have that they don't appreciate the protection that our country offers? I think you've applied a huge over-generalization there. My Amish neighbors own guns and rifles but I have no idea what kind.

Since 1973 the draft ended and the US has had a volunteer army.

 

[NathanH83]

What proof do you have that they don't appreciate the protection that our country offers? I think you've applied a huge over-generalization there. My Amish neighbors own guns and rifles but I have no idea what kind.

Since 1973 the draft ended and the US has had a volunteer army.

Amish refuse to fight and join the army. Maybe the ones in your neighborhood do.


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[tango]

Some Christian groups like Anabaptist, Mennonite, and Amish believe in “non-resistance” where they don’t fight back if someone attacks them, and they won’t volunteer to join the army.


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I'm pretty sure the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms. I wasn't aware there was any obligation to keep and bear arms.

Of course the term "assault weapon" is so vague as to be useless. What exactly do you mean by the term "assault weapon"?

 

[NathanH83]

I'm pretty sure the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms. I wasn't aware there was any obligation to keep and bear arms.

Of course the term "assault weapon" is so vague as to be useless. What exactly do you mean by the term "assault weapon"?

I’m pretty sure the Amish tell their people not to keep and bear arms. Maybe some of them do. But most of them believe in non-resistance. If you went and attacked them today, they wouldn’t fight back (don’t attack them, I’m just saying IF you did).

Remember when Paul said that he wished all men were as himself, except for the chains? Do the Amish wish all Americans were as themselves? If so, then who would protect our nation?

Isn’t a nation obligated to protect its people? That’s an obligation. But if everybody became Amish. Who is left to protect the nation?


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[Lamb]

I’m pretty sure the Amish tell their people not to keep and bear arms. Maybe some of them do. But most of them believe in non-resistance. If you went and attacked them today, they wouldn’t fight back (don’t attack them, I’m just saying IF you did).

Remember when Paul said that he wished all men were as himself, except for the chains? Do the Amish wish all Americans were as themselves? If so, then who would protect our nation?

Isn’t a nation obligated to protect its people? That’s an obligation. But if everybody became Amish. Who is left to protect the nation?


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The Amish hunt for meat so you probably don't know much about the Amish if you think they don't own guns. The Amish don't proselytize and let others live their lives without guilt tripping them.

 

[tango]

I’m pretty sure the Amish tell their people not to keep and bear arms. Maybe some of them do. But most of them believe in non-resistance. If you went and attacked them today, they wouldn’t fight back (don’t attack them, I’m just saying IF you did).

Do you actually know any Amish people? From what I can tell some do and some don't keep guns. You know, much like the rest of the population.

Remember when Paul said that he wished all men were as himself, except for the chains? Do the Amish wish all Americans were as themselves? If so, then who would protect our nation?

I've never met an Amish person who tried to force anyone to live the way they do. We do things our way and they do things their way. You know, live and let live.

Isn’t a nation obligated to protect its people? That’s an obligation. But if everybody became Amish. Who is left to protect the nation?


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A nation can't do anything - it's a theoretical concept based on arbitrary lines marked on a map. If a people want to defend themselves they can raise an army. If a group of people doesn't feel the need to defend themselves they are free not to raise an army. Why is this a problem?

 

[NathanH83]

Do you actually know any Amish people? From what I can tell some do and some don't keep guns. You know, much like the rest of the population.



I've never met an Amish person who tried to force anyone to live the way they do. We do things our way and they do things their way. You know, live and let live.



A nation can't do anything - it's a theoretical concept based on arbitrary lines marked on a map. If a people want to defend themselves they can raise an army. If a group of people doesn't feel the need to defend themselves they are free not to raise an army. Why is this a problem?

They benefit from the protection of the army, but they preach that they should not join the army. They want the benefits of being protected, but don’t want to contribute to that protection.

Sounds pretty selfish to me.


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[NathanH83]

The Amish hunt for meat so you probably don't know much about the Amish if you think they don't own guns. The Amish don't proselytize and let others live their lives without guilt tripping them.

They hunt for meat, but refuse to send any of their people to protect the country. Although they benefit from the protection of the army.


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[tango]

They benefit from the protection of the army, but they preach that they should not join the army. They want the benefits of being protected, but don’t want to contribute to that protection.

Sounds pretty selfish to me.


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Seriously? Is that the best you've got? You think they are selfish because they don't do what you think they should do?

Is it selfish to benefit from the protection of the fire department without being willing to run into a burning building yourself? What about gaining a benefit from the police if you're not willing to hunt down armed criminals yourself, or a benefit from the ambulance service if you're not willing to scrape up the remains of a road traffic accident?

Did you consider that maybe they don't feel the need to be protected by the army? You assume they want the benefits of being protected but maybe they don't care either way.

 

[NathanH83]

Seriously? Is that the best you've got? You think they are selfish because they don't do what you think they should do?

Is it selfish to benefit from the protection of the fire department without being willing to run into a burning building yourself? What about gaining a benefit from the police if you're not willing to hunt down armed criminals yourself, or a benefit from the ambulance service if you're not willing to scrape up the remains of a road traffic accident?

Did you consider that maybe they don't feel the need to be protected by the army? You assume they want the benefits of being protected but maybe they don't care either way.

I’m not talking about an individual. I’m talking about a whole entire community.

If they expect everyone to follow the Lord’s commands, and they believe the Lord’s commands are to refrain from joining the army, then who would protect the nation?

See? It doesn’t make sense.


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[tango]

I’m not talking about an individual. I’m talking about a whole entire community.

If they expect everyone to follow the Lord’s commands, and they believe the Lord’s commands are to refrain from joining the army, then who would protect the nation?

See? It doesn’t make sense.

It makes perfect sense, if you don't believe you need an army to protect the nation.

Incidentally, the Amish don't expect everyone to follow the Lord's commands. They don't expect anyone outside of their community to behave in any particular manner. They've figured something that I wish more people would figure out - let people live the way they want to as long as they aren't harming anyone else. I don't fully get the Amish lifestyle but I don't expect them to live my preferred lifestyle and they don't expect me to live their preferred lifestyle. It's remarkably easy to coexist with them.

 

[NathanH83]

It makes perfect sense, if you don't believe you need an army to protect the nation.

Incidentally, the Amish don't expect everyone to follow the Lord's commands. They don't expect anyone outside of their community to behave in any particular manner. They've figured something that I wish more people would figure out - let people live the way they want to as long as they aren't harming anyone else. I don't fully get the Amish lifestyle but I don't expect them to live my preferred lifestyle and they don't expect me to live their preferred lifestyle. It's remarkably easy to coexist with them.

Paul wanted everyone to get saved.


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[Lamb]

Paul wanted everyone to get saved.


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Paul from scripture? He wasn't Amish and I'm not sure how that fits into gun ownership?

 

[tango]

Paul wanted everyone to get saved.


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How is that relevant to your comments about the Amish not joining the army?

 

[NathanH83]

How is that relevant to your comments about the Amish not joining the army?

Well, don’t the Amish want to follow Paul’s example, and desire everyone to be saved?
And don’t the Amish believe that repentance and obedience to the Lord is necessary for salvation?
And don’t they believe that those who engage in warfare are being disobedient, therefore not saved, and therefore not going to heaven?


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[Lamb]

Well, don’t the Amish want to follow Paul’s example, and desire everyone to be saved?
And don’t the Amish believe that repentance and obedience to the Lord is necessary for salvation?
And don’t they believe that those who engage in warfare are being disobedient, therefore not saved, and therefore not going to heaven?


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Is this thread about the Amish beliefs then or about assault rifles? I guess I'm confused why this tangent happened.