Do angels have wings or something we painted on them ?

[grumix8]

The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.
20:4 exodus
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.
Ezekiel 10:1-22
That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other
in the celestial war ?

Zoroastrianism​

Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.
What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is
hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”
It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.
G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!
The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power
. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don’t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.
Maimonides
he puts heirarchy like this
Rank Angelic Class Notes

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1 Chayot Ha Kadesh [21] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 Elohim “Godly beings”
8 Bene Elohim “Sons of Godly beings”
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim “manlike beings”, see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5
then the christian one
1: Seraphims
2:Cherubins
3:Thrones (Ophanims)
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels
are the order of christians.
But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi’s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?
Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.
So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.
When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !
1 kings6:27
27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.
It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.
Where does it say they don’t have wings ?
The ophanims ( Thrones)
they do not have wings
Ezekiel 1:15-21
As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.
When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
No where in this part do they have wings.
There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.
A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren’t they archangels shouldn’t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God’s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.
Raphael is made up just like the baby cherubs, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.
So Raphael and Uriel are not bible based.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

My understanding is that angles are all males. Whether they have wings or even physical bodies I don't know, but I think they are spirit beings, but can appear in various physical forms.

 

[Albion]

My understanding is that angles are all males. Whether they have wings or even physical bodies I don't know, but I think they are spirit beings, but can appear in various physical forms.

All the angels referred to individually in Scripture were males, so this is the image that has prevailed. However, it's also generally understood that angels are spirits and are not divided by gender as we think of in the case of humans.

 

[Origen]

Nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings.

In the Bible both cherubim and seraphim are described as having wings.

However, they are not referred to as malach\angelos.

 

[grumix8]

yes it does origen one part does.

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !
1 kings6:27
27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.
It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.

G-d told directly and said to him !!! To put the wings on the cherub simple as that why would G-d say unto Moses to put wings on the ark if they were not true they wouldn't of had wings so some angels do have wings as stated. Only the ark of covenant does the lord make an image so Israel can disntinguish his servants with wings so to protect the content the mana, the parts of the tablets G-d used his finger to write on, and hebrew secrets inside they don't know. And to protect this he put winged beings on top to protect that makes them angels and with wings. So angels do have wings and not an optical illusion.

Angels like Throne angels do not have but are wheels holy wheels.

 

[Origen]

yes it does origen one part does.

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !
1 kings6:27
27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.
It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.

G-d told directly and said to him !!! To put the wings on the cherub simple as that why would G-d say unto Moses to put wings on the ark if they were not true they wouldn't of had wings so some angels do have wings as stated. Only the ark of covenant does the lord make an image so Israel can disntinguish his servants with wings so to protect the content the mana, the parts of the tablets G-d used his finger to write on, and hebrew secrets inside they don't know. And to protect this he put winged beings on top to protect that makes them angels and with wings. So angels do have wings and not an optical illusion.

Angels like Throne angels do not have but are wheels holy wheels.

In your example we have cherubim and wings. However there is no mention of malach\angelos in that passage.

As I said above, nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings. In the Bible both cherubim and seraphim are described as having wings. However, they are not referred to as malach\angelos.

 

[grumix8]

The are not Malach or Angelos but the lord did use the image of cherub with 2 wings on the ark was the G-d of Israel wrong to put it if they were not how he depict them ? Nope that is how they are real images and put on the covenant so some part of the angel heirarchy do have wings.

 

[Origen]

The are not Malach or Angelos but the lord did use the image of cherub with 2 wings on the ark was the G-d of Israel wrong to put it if they were not how he depict them ? Nope that is how they are real images and put on the covenant so some part of the angel heirarchy do have wings.

Give the facts that (1) nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings, and (2) nowhere in the Bible are cherubim or seraphim referred to as malachim\angeloi, your claim has no scriptural support.

 

[Albion]

Give the facts that (1) nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings, and (2) nowhere in the Bible are cherubim or seraphim referred to as malachim\angeloi, your claim has no scriptural support.

All of those are choirs of angels, not just the 9th group in the list called simply "angels."

1:Seraphim
2:Cherubim
3:Thrones
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels

 

[Origen]

All of those are choirs of angels, not just the 9th group in the list called simply "angels."

1:Seraphim
2:Cherubim
3:Thrones
4.Dominations
5.Virtues
6.Powers
7.Principalities
8.Archangels
9.Angels

Again, (1) nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings, and (2) nowhere in the Bible are cherubim or seraphim referred to as malachim\angeloi.

Moreover, that hierarchical structure comes from Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite (ca. A.D. 5th/6th) NOT the Bible.

 

[Albion]

Again, (1) nowhere does the Bible states that angels have wings, and (2) nowhere in the Bible are cherubim or seraphim referred to as malachim\angeloi.

I believe I've read you saying this before.

Moreover, that hierarchical structure comes from Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite (A.D. 5th/6th) NOT the Bible.

It is the traditional Christian line-up, however, and those different choirs are indeed referred to in Scripture.. But that doesn't matter, since it wasn't mentioned by me in hopes of settling the 'wings vs no wings' controversy.

It was a response to the discussion being argued on the basis that only Seraphim or Cherubim are under consideration, or vice-versa, when the subject is "angels."

 

[Origen]

But that doesn't matter, since it wasn't mentioned by me to settle the wings vs no wings controversy.

Sorry that I did not understand your point.

 

[grumix8]

Origen G-d told moses to put wings on the ark, that being that has wings means that is A cherub and hsi servants have wings. Simple as that they do have wings and were stated by almighty G-d to put them on the cherub of the ark of covenant did not he do this would it mean they have no wings or wings ? he did do it becaus ethey have wings and stated in the bible so it is stated by the lord proclaim it that way and it was done on sculptures okay so it is writtne they have wings not all but some servants.

 

[Andrew]

They look like regular people.

 

[Origen]

Origen G-d told moses to put wings on the ark, that being that has wings means that is A cherub and hsi servants have wings. Simple as that they do have wings and were stated by almighty G-d to put them on the cherub of the ark of covenant did not he do this would it mean they have no wings or wings ? he did do it becaus ethey have wings and stated in the bible so it is stated by the lord proclaim it that way and it was done on sculptures okay so it is writtne they have wings not all but some servants.

I clearly state in posts 4 and 6 that both cherubim and seraphim are described as having wings in the Bible. That was never in dispute.

 

[atpollard]

Origen G-d told moses to put wings on the ark, that being that has wings means that is A cherub and hsi servants have wings. Simple as that they do have wings and were stated by almighty G-d to put them on the cherub of the ark of covenant did not he do this would it mean they have no wings or wings ? he did do it becaus ethey have wings and stated in the bible so it is stated by the lord proclaim it that way and it was done on sculptures okay so it is writtne they have wings not all but some servants.

Dude, you need to stop for a moment and reread Origen’s post and start arguing what he actually said.

Origen said Cherub HAVE WINGS, so continuing to repeat that Cherub have wings misses the point.
Origen said the word for “Angel” in the Bible is “malachim\angeloi” (probably the Hebrew/Greek words).
Origen said the “malachim\angeloi” in the Bible are NEVER described with wings.

So you need to move on from Cherubs (and Seraphim) and focus on passages translated “Angel” or “messenger” and if any of them have wings.

 

[grumix8]

Everyone is just saying they believe in angels and some say they are humans, they are glowing beings, beings that are aliens. Okay, okay everyone says whatever the want their freedom that still exist.

 

[atpollard]

Actually, a good question would be “what about Angels (Angeloi) in the Apocryphal books?”
Do any of them have wings?
Here is a chance for our resident TOBIT fans to jump in.

 

[Andrew]

Actually, a good question would be “what about Angels (Angeloi) in the Apocryphal books?”
Do any of them have wings?
Here is a chance for our resident TOBIT fans to jump in.

edit. Wrong angel my bad

 

[Andrew]

And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
Daniel 8:15-19

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