Diversity in the new heaven and earth.

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Revelation 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

Does the aforementioned actually prove that all the existing nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues will continue to exist for eternity in the new heaven and earth?
 

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Revelation 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

Does the aforementioned actually prove that all the existing nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues will continue to exist for eternity in the new heaven and earth?

Why do you ask? Are you afraid people of color might be next to you in heaven?
 

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Why do you ask? Are you afraid people of color might be next to you in heaven?
No, I am not afraid, but am naturally concerned about the comparative size of the different groups of people in the new heaven and earth.

There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the different groups should be identical, or equal in terms of their numerical size.

The disparity of numerical size predates civilisation itself and will continue to be important in the eternal new heaven and earth.

As attested by the precise meaning of Ecclesiastes 1:9.

Also, we know that countless ethnicities have become extinct since Man has existed on the earth, and the occurrence of extinctions will continue for indefinite well into the future in the new heaven and earth.

Consequently, not all the existing nations, tribes, peoples and tongues will continue to exist in the new heaven and earth because certain groups will become extinct over the course of centuries and millennia.

Scripture itself does not negate the validity of scientific knowledge, but the theory of extinction is still a valid scientific theory.

Amen.
 

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No, I am not afraid, but am naturally concerned about the comparative size of the different groups of people in the new heaven and earth.

There is absolutely no reason to suppose that the different groups should be identical, or equal in terms of their numerical size.

The disparity of numerical size predates civilisation itself and will continue to be important in the eternal new heaven and earth.

As attested by the precise meaning of Ecclesiastes 1:9.

Also, we know that countless ethnicities have become extinct since Man has existed on the earth, and the occurrence of extinctions will continue for indefinite well into the future in the new heaven and earth.

Consequently, not all the existing nations, tribes, peoples and tongues will continue to exist in the new heaven and earth because certain groups will become extinct over the course of centuries and millennia.

Scripture itself does not negate the validity of scientific knowledge, but the theory of extinction is still a valid scientific theory.

Amen.

How do you know that we will still have different skin colors when we are on the New Earth? Don't get so caught up on race or worry whether there might be more Europeans than Africans in life eternal.
 

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No, I am not afraid, but am naturally concerned about the comparative size of the different groups of people in the new heaven and earth.
What's bothersome about letting God make these decisions without our input?
 

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How do you know that we will still have different skin colors when we are on the New Earth? Don't get so caught up on race or worry whether there might be more Europeans than Africans in life eternal.
Evolution cannot eradicate the different skin colours.

Also, the Bible doesn't actually say that there won't be any colour difference at all, because it doesn't make any sense to talk about "all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues", unless the different groups are discernibly different.

However, I think you are conflating the idea of heaven and earth, but they are actually different.

Your reference to the life eternal is pertaining to heaven itself, which has nothing to do with the earth.

However, on the earth itself the Europeans will always be dominant, as attested by this account of God's Kingdom: Psalm 47:2-3 & Daniel 2:44, 7:14 & 27.

You don't think it's my job to be concerned about the comparative size of different groups, but Who do you suppose created the existing numerical differences?

Are you saying that God doesn't have any right to be concerned about the comparative size of different groups, given that he is the actual cause of such differences?
 
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What's bothersome about letting God make these decisions without our input?
In practice, it is much more bothersome to request such an input than to make these decisions without requesting feedback, but the purpose is partly to gauge the reaction of potential Opposition and to encroach the territory of known enemies simply by postulating theories which they are likely to resent.

To put your ideas in writing is an obvious war of words, which is the same as spiritual and psychological warfare.

In spiritual warfare, words (John 1:1 & Revelation 19:13) are often used to attack the enemy without necessarily naming Who is the actual enemy, because they know Who they are and they can sense your attack is directed against them, both on a spiritual and psychological front.

On the one hand, God still has the option to make these decisions without your input, but on the other hand Jesus is still a human who has the same limitations as any other human.

By nature, humans will psychologically require the approval, cooperation, and encouragement of their social peer group, which is why Hitler tried to surround himself with sympathetic supporters of his cause, regardless of the fact that the rest of Europe was probably hostile towards his Weltanschuung.

Consequently, the Hero of Armageddon will still prevail, although the rest of the world are probably against such a policy of genocide.

Due to his small group of loyal supporters this Central figure of the new covenant will ultimately prevail against the rest of the world who are mostly against it (Psalm 47:2-3 & Daniel 2:44, 7:14 & 27).
 
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On the one hand, God still has the option to make these decisions without your input, but on the other hand Jesus is still a human who has the same limitations as any other human.
But this is a "Christian Only" forum dealing with Christian theology. The statement you make here explains--but also disqualifies--your entire thesis.
 

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But this is a "Christian Only" forum dealing with Christian theology. The statement you make here explains--but also disqualifies--your entire thesis.
What is so "un-Christian" about this comment?

Jesus is fully divine and fully human, do you even know the basics of Christian theology?

Are you even from the UK?

PS. The Communist dictatorship in China is clearly inferior to Western democracy, and the Chinese civilisation is clearly inferior to Western civilisation.

Consequently, the Chinese approach to "Christian Theology" is clearly inferior to its Western counterpart: Sorbonne, Oxford and Harvard, etc.

PPS. What annoys me is that Third world governments always seem to hide behind their First world counterparts, because they would never dare say it to my face, knowing that I would trounce them. What cowardice and how pathetic!
 
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What is so "un-Christian" about this comment?

Jesus is fully divine and fully human, do you even know the basics of Christian theology?
I hesitate to say what the next person believes in his heart, but this is twice that you've described Jesus as human and not fully God while human, and differentiated him from "God." The other was from another thread, "Diversity doesn't mean equality at all."

THEY are suggesting that "God alone" is the Judge, but it totally contradicts the most fundamental doctrines in Christianity. More specifically, it contradicts the Bible's teaching regarding the divinity of the Son of God, that Jesus is the Son of God, and therefore God Himself does not Judge


None of that is in accord with the Nicene Creed that we here say we adhere to. The idea that Jesus was limited by his human nature and divested of his divine nature at that time is contrary to Christian theology.
 
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But this is a "Christian Only" forum dealing with Christian theology. The statement you make here explains--but also disqualifies--your entire thesis.
This subsequent comment doesn't invalidate what you've previously said, because they are made by two different persons using the same account.
 

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This subsequent comment doesn't invalidate what you've previously said, because they are made by two different persons using the same account.

You are two persons using one account?
 

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I hesitate to say what the next person believes in his heart, but this is twice that you've described Jesus as only human and differentiated him from "God." None of that is in accord with the Nicene Creed that we here say we adhere to. However, the idea that Jesus was limited by his human nature and divested of his divine nature at that time is contrary to Christian theology.
What you say is clearly false. The Nicene Creed itself isn't at fault, but there is no denying that Jesus still had to go to the bathroom, he was caught fast asleep by his disciples, and he demonstrated his tribal loyalty by refusing to help the Canaanite in Matthew 15:21-28.

It doesn't negate his divine nature at all that he showed favouritism towards his own group to the potential detriment of outsiders.
 

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The Nicene Creed itself isn't at fault....
I agree to this (above), and the Creed is clear in saying that the Son was from all eternity, is and always has been one of the persons of the Holy Trinity, and that he was God while living on Earth as a human.
 
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