Discussions on the Sabbath & Resting in Jesus

[Webster]

Watch this enlightening panel discussion with Danny Shelton ‪@3abn‬, Charlie Kirk ‪@RealCharlieKirk‬ and Ivan Raj as they explore the spiritual significance of the Sabbath and the rest found in Jesus Christ. The conversation dives deep into theological insights, addressing common misconceptions about the Sabbath, its eternal importance, and how it serves as a sacred time to honor the Creator. They also respond to questions about keeping the Sabbath under grace and its relevance for Christians today. A powerful message urging believers to embrace true rest and faithfulness in God's commandments.

 

[jswauto]

You say: 10 Commandments!!

 

[MrE]

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[grumix8]

Sabbath was establish by God still their is no verse that says directly God change the sabbath to sunday.

 

[MrE]

Sabbath was establish by God still there is no verse that says idrectly God change the sabbath to sunday.

Don’t mistake the principle for a certain day of the week.

 

[grumix8]

History said it constantine changed times and god didn't say in a verse he will change the sabbath for sunday.

 

[BruceLeiter]

History said it constantine changed times and god didn't say in a verse he will change the sabbath for sunday.

@grumix8, one of the mistakes Bible interpreters make is to argue from the silence of Scripture. What it doesn't say in any verse fails to make the point that the Bible's whole teaching (about the differences between the old and new covenants, for example) may give us the Bible's principles for saying how we interpret it. As I have studied, taught, and preached the Bible's meaning, my conclusion is that the outward form of the laws has been done away with Jesus' death, but the inner principles remain for us to follow.

In the case of the Sabbath, the external form of the seventh day has disappeared, while the inner principles of one day in seven, rest, and group worship have continued on.

 

[jswauto]

Sabbath was establish by God still their is no verse that says directly God change the sabbath to sunday.

The Lord doesn't change! He is faithful. Everything done has been preconceived. He knows the end from the beginning. When you watch the 10 Commandment video you can see that everything is going to manifest in perfection. Whe you read the book "the Harbinger" , you can see in infinite detail how USA is following exactly in Isreal's path, right down to the same scriptures cited and actions taken (I'm sure you know that history). But, NO! The Lord doesn't change. The Lord doesn't change scriptures. The Sabbath has not changed! It's still the seventh day, just like in the beginning; just like how creation started.

 

[jswauto]

History said it constantine changed times and god didn't say in a verse he will change the sabbath for sunday.

Biblical Sabbath Origins
• The Sabbath (Saturday) was instituted in Genesis and codified in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11).
• Jesus and His disciples observed the seventh-day Sabbath faithfully during His earthly ministry.

Synopsis: Early Christian Sabbath Observance and Sunday Worship
In the formative years of Christianity, believers—especially Jewish converts—continued to honor the seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) as a sacred day of rest, worship, and reflection. Rooted in the creation account and the Mosaic covenant, the Sabbath was observed in continuity with the practices of Jesus and His apostles, who regularly attended synagogue and taught on that day (Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, 42; 18:4).
However, the resurrection of Jesus on the first day of the week (Sunday) introduced a new spiritual rhythm. Early Christians began gathering on Sundays to celebrate the risen Christ, calling it “the Lord’s Day” (Revelation 1:10). This day was not initially seen as a replacement for the Sabbath, but as a distinct occasion for joy, praise, and fellowship. Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 reflect early examples of believers assembling and giving offerings on Sunday, likely in honor of the resurrection.
For many decades, both days were observed: the Sabbath remained a time of rest and reverence, while Sunday became a festival of resurrection and renewal. This dual observance reflected the theological tension between continuity with Jewish tradition and the emerging Christian identity. Jewish Christians in Judea especially maintained Sabbath customs, even attending synagogue regularly.
Over time, as Christianity spread among Gentiles and distanced itself from Judaism—especially under Roman influence—Sunday gained prominence. By the fourth century, Emperor Constantine declared Sunday a public day of rest, and church councils like Laodicea discouraged Sabbath observance, framing it as “Judaizing”.
Yet in the earliest centuries, the faithful honored both days: Saturday for divine rest, and Sunday for resurrection glory. This rhythm embodied both covenantal obedience and redemptive celebration—a pattern that speaks powerfully to the spiritual endurance and theological depth of the early church.

Early Christian Practice
• After Christ’s resurrection (on a Sunday), early Christians began gathering on the “first day of the week” to commemorate that event (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2).
• This day became known as “the Lord’s Day” (Revelation 1:10), but it was not yet a replacement for the Sabbath—it was more of an additional observance.

Roman Influence and Constantine’s Decree
• In A.D. 321, Emperor Constantine issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest across the Roman Empire.
• This was partly influenced by sun worship (Sunday = “day of the sun”) and a desire to unify religious practices under imperial authority.

Church Councils and Anti-Judaic Sentiment
• The Council of Laodicea (circa A.D. 365) formally discouraged Sabbath observance, declaring it unlawful to “Judaize” by resting on Saturday.
• Church fathers like Augustine and Tertullian reinforced Sunday as the new day of worship, citing church authority rather than scriptural mandate.

Theological Justifications
• Some argued that Sunday symbolized the “new creation” inaugurated by Christ’s resurrection.
• Others viewed the Sabbath as part of the Mosaic covenant, no longer binding under the New Covenant.

Gradual Adoption
• The transition was not immediate. For centuries, many Christians observed both Saturday and Sunday.
• By the Middle Ages, Sunday had become the dominant day of worship in Western Christianity, largely due to ecclesiastical authority rather than biblical command.

 

[Webster]

Sabbath was establish by God still their is no verse that says directly God change the sabbath to sunday.

And to this day we're still not sure how much of a Christian Constantine was when he changed the worship day from Saturday (the seventh-day) to Sunday (the day of the sun or the first-day). Ironically, the Roman Catholic Church takes credit for the change; quoting an article from Sabbath Truth...

Now a quote from the Catholic Press newspaper in Sidney, Australia. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”

The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

To point up the claims we’re talking about, I want to read from two Catechisms. First, from the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

Second, from Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”

Then from Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”

One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

 

[BruceLeiter]

The early church could have chosen any day, perhaps Wednesday or Thursday, to worship and rest under the NEW covenant, as instituted by Jesus, who says as much at his Last Supper (Luke 22:20).

Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood."

Since the old covenant given for the nation of Israel has been changed for the international church, the external form has also changed.

 

[jswauto]

The early church could have chosen any day, perhaps Wednesday or Thursday, to worship and rest under the NEW covenant, as instituted by Jesus, who says as much at his Last Supper (Luke 22:20).

Luk 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood."

Since the old covenant given for the nation of Israel has been changed for the international church, the external form has also changed.

The Lord doesn't change, the Bible doesn't change, and the sabbath doesn't change. It's one of the 10 Commandments. That's not going to change. The relevance of the Sabbath in the end time is of critical importance. Do you understand what happens when the time of the gentiles is over. Do you understand when the sixth day ends; what happens then?

 

[jswauto]

And to this day we're still not sure how much of a Christian Constantine was when he changed the worship day from Saturday (the seventh-day) to Sunday (the day of the sun or the first-day). Ironically, the Roman Catholic Church takes credit for the change; quoting an article from Sabbath Truth...

Don't forget about this part of history:

Phase 1: Jewish Persecution of Early Christians

• Context: The earliest Christians were Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah. This was seen as heretical by many Jewish leaders.
• Key Events:
  • Stephen’s martyrdom (Acts 7): Stoned by a Jewish council.
  • Saul’s persecution (Acts 8): Before his conversion, Paul actively hunted Christians.
  • Synagogue expulsions: Believers in Jesus were cast out of Jewish communities.
• Motivation:
• Defense of Jewish orthodoxy.
• Fear that the Jesus movement would provoke Roman retaliation.
• Belief that Christians were blaspheming by claiming divinity for Jesus.

Phase 2: Christian Persecution of Jews (Later Centuries)

• Context: As Christianity grew — especially after Constantine’s conversion in the 4th century — it became the dominant religion of the Roman Empire. Alot of the persecutions started well before and motivatied the Constantine edict. Just like the Jewish persecutions were based on violations of man-made laws and jealousy, Christian persecution of Jews was political and revenge for the past.
• Key Shifts:
  • Political Power: Christianity moved from underground movement to state religion.
  • Theological Supersessionism: The belief that the Church had replaced Israel as God’s chosen people.
• Forms of Persecution:
• Forced conversions.
• Expulsions from Christian lands.
• Blaming Jews for the death of Christ (the “Christ-killer” accusation).
• Pogroms, ghettos, and eventually the horrors of the Inquisition.

Why the Reversal Happened




Just a glimpse of the motivating factors and political positioning of church leadership that steered them so far from scriptures. There's no way politicians can make competent decisions for the church. And they were motivated by their hatred for the Jews to reject the Lord.