Did Christ die for them that are perishing ?

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The Blessedness of Christ dying for our sins ?

What is the supreme Blessedness of Christ dying for our sins as Per 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

It is this, those He died for are the man here in Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Ps 32:1-2

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

The only reason why Rom 4:8 is true is because 1 Cor 15:3 is true. The sins, iniquities which are not imputed to us is because they were imputed to Christ, and hence they are not ours any more when that transaction was done, which was before He died for them. Simply put Rom 4:8 and its Blessedness of non imputation applies to all for whom Christ died ! There is no record of their sins before God ! Now what are Two consequences of Rom 4:8 ? #1. Their iniquities are forgiven Vs 7

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

They are send away. Remember how the High Priest on the day of Atonement would do this Lev 16:21-22

21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

They are forever removed before God's Law and Justice Ps 103:12

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

#2 Righteousness has been imputed to them without their works Vs 6

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

And this is even while they in themselves are being Ungodly Vs 5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Yes, the blessedness is that Righteousness has been imputed to them, and sins forgiven them, while they are being Ungodly.

That's the Blessedness of Christ dying for our sins if He indeed did die for our sins at all ! 19

 

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The Blessedness of Christ dying for our sins ? 2

All for whom Christ died are the man that is called blessed here in Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

8 Blessed and happy and to be envied is the person of whose sin the Lord will take no account nor reckon it against him.

John Gill on this verse:

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. As he does not to those whom he justifies in Christ, and by his righteousness; for the sins of such he has imputed to his Son, as their surety; and he has bore them, took them away, having made full satisfaction for them; so that these persons will never be charged with them: they now appear before the throne without fault, and are blameless and irreproveable in the sight of God, and therefore must be eternally happy; for he will never think of their sins any more to their hurt; he will remember them no more; he "will never reckon them to them", but acquit them from them, justify and accept them; wherefore they must be secure from wrath and condemnation, enjoy much peace and comfort now, and be happy hereafter.

Now again, Rom 4:8 is foundational on 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Now this is true because the sins that are not imputed to those of Rom 4:8 as well as 2 Cor 5:19, those sins were by the Justice of God Imputed to Christ, He must die for them, not them, that was the suretyship arrangement before the world began. That means Christ became the principle debtor to God's Law and Justice for them !

Then again we looked at the effects of sin not being imputed to those in Rom 4:8 and 2 Cor 5:19, which #1 is forgiveness of sins Rom 4:7

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Barnes quotes calvin here on this vere saying:

Whose sins are covered - Are concealed; or hidden from the view. On which God will no more look, and which he will no more remember. "By these words," says Calvin (in loco), "we are taught that justification with Paul is nothing else but pardon of sin."

And I concur that Forgiveness of sins is Justification / Acquittal before God.

Its what Paul means by Justification here Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

That's the result of God not imputing sin Rom 4:8 !

And #2. Its Righteousness Imputed without works [doings,actions,obeying] Rom 4:6

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

To better understand this concept , its just like how adam's sin was imputed to them without their act of actual disobedience, so likewise Christ's Righteousness is imputed to them without their actual act of obedience !

Now understand this Righteousness Imputed to us is the reciprocal exchange for sin Imputed to Christ. 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

He by imputation was made sin [an offering] and we by imputation was made Righteous !

That equates to Our Justification and His Condemnation, for Our sins 1 Cor 15:3; which goes along with 2 Cor 5:21. This Truth is also reflected here Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon[by imputation] all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon[by Imputation] all men unto justification of life.

This is part of the Blessedness of Christ dying for our sins, if He did die for them, if we were one of His Sheep !

 

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He was made unto us Sanctification !

1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

For those Christ died for, He was made unto us of God The Father Sanctification. Did you know that all for whom Christ died, through His Death alone, That God made Him unto us [if He died for us] Sanctification. The word here is hagiasmos:

I.
consecration, purification

II.
the effect of consecration
A.
sanctification of heart and life

Its translated holiness here :Rom 6:19, Rom 6:22, Heb 12:14

Now this Sanctification/ holiness is Real before God, even when its not unto us, and its permanent, and its solely based upon what God did for us through Christ; and by His Offering [His Death], every one He died for is perfectly Sanctified Heb 10:10-14


10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Now the word sanctified in Vs 10 is in the perfect tense, a action completed in the past with results coming into the present. His death guarantees those He died for inward sanctification of Life as well. In fact the word sanctification here in Vs 10 is slightly different from the one in 1 Cor 1:30 but both convey the Truth of inward sanctification:

to purify internally by reformation of soul:

That's why all for whom Christ died experience the Sanctification of the Spirit as Per 2 Thess 2:13, its a blessing that compliments the Death of Christ and its sanctifying those He died for !

Nothing can be added, nothing can be taken away, its the work of God. All sinners for whom Christ died, no matter who they are, gentile, jew, white, black, male or female, no matter what time of world history they lived in, they are born into this world ungodly, and at the same time perfectly Sanctified by the Body of Christ, which is a way of saying His Death ! 19

 

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Salvation Promised by Jesus !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Many times it has been witnessed that Christ's by His Death has saved His People from the penalty of their sins, for them there is no more penalty of sin regarding them to pay, no death due to them at all, to include the second death. For death is the wages of Sin, Rpm 6:23, and since Christ has died for their sins, Life to them is due. However that is not all His Saving His People entails, deliverance from death, the penalty of sin, for His Saving is complete, to the uttermost,[Heb 7:25] and so He saves His People from a lost state, or out of a lost state. He saves, them from their fallen nature, of which they partake of by nature; Simply put, Christ cannot be the Captain of Our Salvation Our Saviour , if in fact He does not save us, not only from sin's penalty, but also from our fallen nature wherein lies the power of sin !

He saves His People from their native corrupt and fallen nature, by giving them in New Birth , a Nature whereby they can escape as stated here 2 Pet 1:3-4

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

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Salvation Promised by Jesus ! 2

Christ is promised to save His People from their sins. Matt 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from G575 their sins.

This word from is the greek preposition apo:

I.of separation

A.of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, ...

B.of separation of a part from the whole

i.where of a whole some part is taken



C.of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

What this is promising is that Jesus will save His People from their sin nature wherein lies the power of sin, the flesh. Paul writes Rom 7:14,21

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

This is also true in regards to the Elect's First parents, Adam and Eve, but they did not know their flesh was evil until tempted by the serpent.

But Jesus is promised to save His People from their sins, their flesh.

Now this is ensured, being saved from our fallen nature by the fact that, He as our Surety Saviour representative was raised from the dead, so likewise in the purpose of God, were all those He represented, and as His Resurrection was unto that He Liveth unto God Rom 6:4-10

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth[through resurrection], he liveth unto God.

Even so therefore, all those whom He represented as Surety and they were [in God's purpose] raised up together with Him Eph 2:6

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

He, That is Christ and those He represented, His Body the Church are One Heb 2:11

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

This is what is meant as well, when Christ was begotten from the dead as per Acts 13:33

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

So likewise were all those He federally represented, they were also together with Him [in the purpose of God] begotten again from the dead, so Peter writes of this very truth here 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This proves that they [the elect] were in Union with Christ as He was their Head, when He was begotten again from the dead Acts 13:33.

Its the same greek word " begotten" in Acts 13:33 and 1 Pet 1:3 the word is γεννάω :

I.of men who fathered children

A.to be born


B.to be begotten

This is a Major Truth of the Resurrection that is sorely neglected in the Gospel these days. 1 Cor 15:3-4

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Again His Resurrection from the dead was theirs also Heb 2:11

11 For both he[Christ] that sanctifieth and they[His Church] who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

This means that they are all of One Resurrection from the dead ! 19

 

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Salvation Promised by Jesus ! 3

That is why it is stated that they were begotten again through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Ones New Birth in time, confirms their Union with Christ, being together with Him when He was begotten here Acts 13:33

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

And as evidence, all for whom Christ died and rose in behalf of, shall be begotten again unto Newness of Life. Peter also calls it here 1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

By the Word of God's Resurrection from the Dead, Yes Jesus Christ in 1 Pet 1:3 is the same as the Word of God here in Vs 23 Remember Jn 1:1,14 well that one in Vs 14 is who died and rose again from the dead !

Now all for whom He died and rose receive as a Gift a New Life to serve God with. Remember Rom 6:10b

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth,[by resurrection] he liveth unto God.

The Life He now lives He lives unto God, and correspondingly, when one is begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead, the words begotten again means :

to have one's mind changed[repentance] so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

That's also were repentance , a change of Mind , comes from. That's why Peter writes that the Risen Christ gives Repentance Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Peter is speaking of what He wrote in 1 Pet 1:3 ! So that's how those Jesus Christ died for are by Him given a New Life to serve God with, or to now Live unto God, now see the correlation that has with Rom 6:10b

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

That's why the Bible Teaches that the Death of Christ saves those He died for from their sins. Its impossible for Christ to have died for anyone and it not effect their Resurrection from the Spiritually dead by New Birth !.

By it, His Resurrection from the dead, it causes those He died for to be born again as Per the ESV Translation 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Folks this is the Truth of the Gospel, if Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and was raised again the third day according to the scriptures 1 Cor 15:3-4, a scripture like this one would apply Isa 26:19

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

This is talking about Christ's Body, remember this Jn 2:19-21

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Also Hos 6:2

2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

So scripture states clearly that those whom Christ for shall be Born Again, If we do not sometime in our lifetime, be begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead, then He did not die and raise again for our Justification, we had no interest in His Death, Nor Resurrection at all !!!

 

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It makes men alive to God !

Did you know that Life comes out of Death ? Christ's Death makes them He died for alive unto God. Jesus said here Jn 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

24 I tell you for certain that a grain of wheat that falls on the ground will never be more than one grain unless it dies. But if it dies, it will produce lots of wheat.

Remember the parable of the wheat and tares Matt 13, remember who sowed the Wheat or the Good Grain Matt 13:37-38

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed[Wheat] is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed[Wheat] are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The Wheat is produced by the Corn of Wheat that died in Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily I say unto you, unless a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone; but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

The fruit are the many lives of the wheat or the Children of the Kingdom, that shall be harvested. Matt 13:30

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Again, Christ's Death, causes them He died for to be made alive unto God, the Truth behind what Paul teaches here Rom 6:6-11

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 19

 

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It makes men alive to God ! 2

Now what people have failed to understand is that all what Christ came here to do by His Birth, Life and Death, and Resurrection, this was not for Himself as an Individual private person, not it was He as a Covenant Head and Sponsor , in other words it was as in an engagement in fulfilling for others their requited obligations to God in Keeping His Law as well as reparation for the violations of His Law they have already incurred, to pay their due to God's Justice ! This was not for all mankind, but for a chosen people given Him by Father in Eternity Past Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Now knowing this Paul writes to the Romans, to all that be at Rome Called Rom 1:7, and for all whom Christ died, because of their representative Union with Him in the Eternal Purpose of God and Election, that what they were by nature [Eph 2:2-3] has been Crucified with Christ, at the same time together with Him, for the purpose that the body of sin might be destroyed, in other words, that was their death, in the death of deaths, our destruction because of our sins.

God's Law and Justice has been completely Satisfied for them, He made an end of our sins Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Its to the End that they might now be made alive to God, never to serve sin again. Also verse "7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."

Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. This word freed in the original means Justified also it means:


I.to render righteous or such he ought to be


II.to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered


III.to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

BTW He that is dead in the verse simply means he that Christ died for, for all died with Him when He died as their representative 2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

And by that, they were Justified Rom 6:7 This proves that those Christ died for are Justified by His Death alone, without their believing act, that shall come later !

Their Justification by His Death alone is a Legal reality.

And it is because of the complete destruction of our body of sin, all the sins we would ever commit against God in our bodies, we are now made alive to serve God, and not to serve sin again Rom 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Now understand, we do serve sin when we seek Justification by our works, our doings, That's what Jesus meant to the very religious Pharisees here Jn 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

So Rom 6 is all an legal reality that Paul is teaching because of our death with Christ ! Who and what we are in Adam as pertaining to our constant sinning in the flesh, even now, that has been destroyed, there is no more destruction from the Lord due to it !

 

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Life out of Death !

1 Cor 15:36

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Many today in false religion, and in their opposition to the True Religion from above, and in their attack against the saving death of Christ, they do say, that its not the death of Christ that saves anyone, but that its His Life, and then ignorantly point to Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

To give support to their deceit; however nowhere in this text does it state " The death of Christ saves no one " that is fabricated but yes it does state clearly, that "we shall be saved by His Life " Yet it never states or implies that the death of Christ does not save anyone, but it does say some where reconciled to God, while being enemies, by the Death of Christ, and such a statement as "that the death of Christ does not save anyone" is a most horrible blasphemy, and can only proceed from a corrupt and depraved heart !

Now the blessed fact of the matter is, that Christ's death, blood does save them He died for Rev 5:9 To be redeemed unto God by His Blood is a testimony to that, and Christ's Resurrection from the dead is another evidence to that fact. His Resurrection from the dead is living proof that the giving of His Life for a ransom Matt 20:28, destroys death and gives life , which resurrection is a proof of. Its as of the same result as put forth here in our text 1 Cor 15:36; because without His Death, there is no quickening from the dead, no reproduction. If Christ's Death did not save us out of death, in that it abolished death, then there would not have been any resurrection, for His Death destroyed the power of the devil, not His Resurrection, that was evidence or testification of what His Death done or accomplished.

There would have not been any quickening from the dead as Per Eph 2:5, hence we were saved by His Grace, the Grace of Him Tasting Death ! 20

 

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Life out of Death !

1 Cor 15:36

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Many today in false religion, and in their opposition to the True Religion from above, and in their attack against the saving death of Christ, they do say, that its not the death of Christ that saves anyone, but that its His Life, and then ignorantly point to Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

To give support to their deceit; however nowhere in this text does it state " The death of Christ saves no one " that is fabricated but yes it does state clearly, that "we shall be saved by His Life " Yet it never states or implies that the death of Christ does not save anyone, but it does say some where reconciled to God, while being enemies, by the Death of Christ, and such a statement as "that the death of Christ does not save anyone" is a most horrible blasphemy, and can only proceed from a corrupt and depraved heart !

Now the blessed fact of the matter is, that Christ's death, blood does save them He died for Rev 5:9 To be redeemed unto God by His Blood is a testimony to that, and Christ's Resurrection from the dead is another evidence to that fact. His Resurrection from the dead is living proof that the giving of His Life for a ransom Matt 20:28, destroys death and gives life , which resurrection is a proof of. Its as of the same result as put forth here in our text 1 Cor 15:36; because without His Death, there is no quickening from the dead, no reproduction. If Christ's Death did not save us out of death, in that it abolished death, then there would not have been any resurrection, for His Death destroyed the power of the devil, not His Resurrection, that was evidence or testification of what His Death done or accomplished.

There would have not been any quickening from the dead as Per Eph 2:5, hence we were saved by His Grace, the Grace of Him Tasting Death ! 20

First Corinthians 15:36 is about our future bodily resurrection, not our present salvation, according to the context:

1Co 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.

 

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To bear fruit unto God , as Repentance/Faith

One of the purposes of Christ's Death, which He does accomplish, it is so that those He died for will bear fruit unto God . Rom 7:1-4

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that[in order that] ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The Death of Christ, for all whom He died, has caused them to be dead or separated/loosed from the Law, they have no legal obligation to law for life, cannot be condemned by the law, are redeemed from its curse Gal 3:13, it has no dominion/power over them, but its for a purpose, not merely to be in limbo or unproductive, but in order that they can be married or joined to Christ, by New Birth and bring fruit unto God !

Now one of those fruits unto God is Repentance, Paul preached it here Acts 20:21

21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

That Repentance is a Fruit unto God is seen here in the words of the Baptist Matt 3:7-8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet or befitting,corresponding for repentance:

John knew that not all had been made meet for repentance, and He knew some have Matt 3:1-2

In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

He knew that God had specially prepared or made meet to bring forth repentance.

And this was one of the designs and accomplishments of the Death of Christ, for if it did not effect this, it would have failed the Divine Purpose. That's why it says after He being Exalted, it was for this Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

And Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

That's how Christ's Death, Him being lifted up, bears fruit Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Repentance unto God Acts 20:21 is part of that Fruit that Christ's dying as a Corn of Wheat brings forth !

That's why He commanded His Messengers to Preach Repentance in His Name Lk 24:47

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

It was to bring into manifestation His Fruit bearing Death. Everytime a sinner repents, its Joy in Heaven Lk 15:7,10

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

That's Christ's Joy, witnessing the fruit of His Death Heb 12:1-2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Remember the prophecy Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

That word satisfied means fulfilled ,delighted , joyous !

Is this the Christ you know and Serve ? The Christ I serve and the one Scripture witnesses to, He bears fruit unto God because of His Death. His Death severed those He died for from the Law, that they should be joined to Him, then bring fruit unto God. Notice also the fruit is after being joined or married to Him by the New birth by the Spirit , For Faith and repentance are Christ's bearing fruit unto God and we know Faith is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22!

 

[brightfame52]

First Corinthians 15:36 is about our future bodily resurrection, not our present salvation, according to the context:

1Co 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
1Co 15:38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.
1Co 15:39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.
1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.

False, its all connected, different phases of salvation, yet one Salvation

 

[BruceLeiter]

False, its all connected, different phases of salvation, yet one Salvation

You are right, @brightfame52, but THAT chapter is about our future bodily resurrection.

 

[brightfame52]

You are right, @brightfame52, but THAT chapter is about our future bodily resurrection.

I know but its connected to the theme of the thread. Those for whom Christ died are guaranteed a future bodily resurrection, but in connection to that, they were ensured a spiritual resurrection before that, that is quickened from being dead in sin, made spiritually alive, so He could not have died for them that shall perish.

 

[brightfame52]

Life out of Death ! 2

There would have not been any quickening from the dead as Per Eph 2:5, hence we were saved by His Grace, the Grace of Him Tasting Death Heb 2:9 !

But there is more for confirmation that there is Life or Saving out of His Death as the principle is set forth 1 Cor 15:36

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

This sets for a biblical principle of quickening out of death, or Life out of death, and Christ's Death gives Life ! Here is even more biblical proof set forth Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Christ's Death here produces Life, or fruit, to His Spiritual Seed, it came through death, for He is speaking of himself as being that corn of wheat which falls to the ground and die, and IF IT DIE, it bringeth forth fruit, no if's and maybe's, and its not dependent on man's freewill decision which is blasphemy ! Through His death, he does become a Life Giving Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

To everyone that Father gave Him, He is responsible for raising them up Jn 6:39

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

All of which comes through His Death Heb 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Notice, that His death was the destruction of the devils power of death, and some have the audacity to say that His Death in and of itself does not save anyone.

The very truth of His Death destroying the power of death, is Life , to all for whom He died. Its their redemption from his power. Hosea 13:14

I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

And Christ's Death dealt effectively with all the deaths that sin caused, Spiritual, Physical, and Eternal Death ! And as a Result, Life is given out of all those different deaths ! 20

 

[brightfame52]

Life out of Death ! 3

Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Now here in this passage, it is crystal clear that experiemental Salvation/Conversion to God, which is what Paul called "we shall be saved by His Life" in Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. but here in our text it is attributed to being through His Death saying "21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death,"

You see that ? He is stating that the reason why you are no more enemies in your minds by wicked works, it is being attributed to the success of Christ's DEATH.

The word reconciled here is slightly different than in Rom 5:10, here it is the word apokatallassō:


I.to reconcile completely


II.to reconcile back again


III.bring back a former state of harmony

See in Rom 5:10 the emphasis of reconciliation was legal and it mainly focused on how God was reconciled to the ungodly sinner, while the sinner is still an enemy within himself against God, but in Col 1:22 the focus is on the sinner now having his enmity against God removed and he is now in himself reconciled to God, inother words he has been saved from his enmity against God, and this also is by His Death ! So the person is now completely reconciled to God by Christ's death. 1 Peter teaches the same thing here 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Notice, not bring God to us, but us to God !

1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

That word returned gives the same meaning as the word reconciled in Col 1:21, but its the word epistrephō:

B.to cause to return, to bring back

And its being attributed to " having bare our sins in his own body" His Death ! This totally strikes against the horrible false teaching that one is not saved by Christ's Death.

 

[brightfame52]

Redeems out of vain conversation or life style.

We can never testify enough about the blessings accomplished by the Death of Christ, by His Blood, apart from all human freewill, but solely upon His Own Meritorious and Efficacious Death and Blood.

1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Peter said to these, that " Ye Know" how they were redeemed from a vain conversation. The words Ye Know, the greek eidō, which is the same word see here Jn 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see G1492 the kingdom of God.

And remember Peter said to them right before in 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The Knowing comes from being Born Again !

And observe what they did know, that they had been redeemed out of a vain conversation or manner of life, passed down by their fathers of the flesh.

Here it could denote a vain, worthless and superstitious religious lifestyle, which is Idolatry Acts 17:22-23

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Yes, even the jews, Peter's kinsmen according to the flesh, were of this sort, ignorant of the True God and Worship of Him in Spirit and Truth, and clave to the superstitions and traditions of the jewish false teachers.

Remember what Paul said of himself before He was converted by the Power of Christ Gal 1:13-14

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Well that's what Peter means by 1 Pet 1:18, being redeemed from a a vain conversation, as Paul meaneth here ! BTW, Paul is an prime Example of the Power of the Blood of Christ effectively redeeming one out of a vain conversation and turning them into a Believer.

Also, it [Christ's Blood] redeems us from this vain conversation Eph 2:1-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Its by the Blood of Christ we are redeemed out of that conversation whereby we walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, the desires of the flesh and of the mind.

Notice how Paul identified himself with that activity saying "we all had our conversation in times past "

What Paul meant by that was his former manner of life here Gal 1:13-14

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Yes, all that was no more than walking in the flesh as stated here:

"walking according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;"

Yes, that's what false religion is ! People think those words only mean, fornication and drunkenness and so forth, but they mean all religion in the flesh as well !

And Praise be to God, the Blood of Christ alone, apart from mans freewill decisions as it is falsely taught. All Glory goes to the Sovereign Working of the Cross, the Blood of Christ. If I'm a True Believer today, its because of the Redeeming Power of the Blood of Christ, redeeming me out of false religion handed down by the traditions of my fathers in the flesh ! 20

 

[brightfame52]

When He hath by Himself purged our sins sat down !

Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now scripture says here plainly, of those He died for only "when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:"

What does it mean purge our sins ?

David used the word Ps 51:7

Ps 65:3

Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.

Ps 79:9

Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.

The word here means :

I.to cover, purge, make an atonement, make reconciliation, cover over with pitch

i.
to cover over, pacify, propitiate

ii.
to cover over, atone for sin, make atonement for

iii.
to cover over, atone for sin and persons by legal rites


C.
(Pual)
i.
to be covered over

ii.
to make atonement for


D.
(Hithpael) to be covered

Notice also that the writer here links this Purging with the Salvation of God and the Glory of His Name Sake/ Christ !

Now in the text of Heb 1:3 its the word katharismos and means:

C.a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

Guilt of sins means:

the fact or state of having committed an offense, crime, violation, or wrong, especially against moral or penal law;

conduct involving the commission of such crimes, wrongs, etc.: to live a life of guilt.

The purging here denotes therefore no condemnation for their sins and crimes against God's Holy Law, Forgiveness as here Ps 32:1

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven , whose sin is covered or purged .

It denotes Justification from the penalty of sin, the penalty is taken away, there is no condemning guilt before God's Law that can be charged against them, for He hath purged their sins.

Christ's finished work of purging went far beyond the typical sacrifces of the People, it did what they could not do Heb 10:4

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Christ's Purging sacrifice took the peoples sins away permanently ! That's why it follows that after doing so, He sat down ! The typical priests could never set down, for their works of sacrifice for the people did not never end , evidencing the insuffiency of that economy in the things pertaining to the Glory of God and His People.

Christ's purging of the People did effect the soul of the people Heb 9:13-14

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

This is the same word purge as in Heb 1:3 !!

You see the positive effects that the Purging of Heb 1:3 has upon the objects for whom He shed His Blood for ? It purges their conscience from dead works, to serve the Living God.

Now if everyone Christ died for and purged their sins as per Heb 1:3 does not experience a conversion of life to serving the True and Living God, its an defect and failure on the Christ's Blood behalf and God's Glory has been jeopardized !

 

[Marston]

Not everyone benefits from His death without faith.

As a believer in universal reconciliation, I have a different belief. I believe that Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL from forever death.

Upon death most people (I believe) will be freed by Jesus from the bondage of sin and will then enter God's Kingdom. Those that put their faith and trust in Jesus and who faithfully follow him are ASSURED of going straight to Heaven!

However, wicked people go into the Lake of Fire, aka "Hell", for chastening, otherwise known as punishment but punishment for the purpose of correction. In that place, or process, the wicked will eventually be granted repentance by the Father and then they too will repent and cheerfully follow Jesus and then they too will enter God's Kingdom.

I can provide scriptures to support my beliefs.

 

[Lamb]

As a believer in universal reconciliation, I have a different belief. I believe that Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL from forever death.

Upon death most people (I believe) will be freed by Jesus from the bondage of sin and will then enter God's Kingdom. Those that put their faith and trust in Jesus and who faithfully follow him are ASSURED of going straight to Heaven!

However, wicked people go into the Lake of Fire, aka "Hell", for chastening, otherwise known as punishment but punishment for the purpose of correction. In that place, or process, the wicked will eventually be granted repentance by the Father and then they too will repent and cheerfully follow Jesus and then they too will enter God's Kingdom.

I can provide scriptures to support my beliefs.

I don't know of any non-denominational church that has those same beliefs.