USA Democrate Debate - 12/19/15

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Discuss the Democrat Party Debate.

Seems like more people were tearing into Bernie Saunders, and many don't seem confident in his ability to lead. Not to mention I've heard the label of Socialist plastered all over him lately.
 

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The label of "Socialist" was placed on Bernie Saunders many years ago -- by Bernie Saunders, himself. He likes to refer to himself as a "Democratic" Socialist.

He is right about one thing -- the debates are few and far between to protect Hillary from exposing herself to the voters. The debates that do take place are done on Saturday evenings a week before Christmas to keep the audience level down (only 8 million watched this latest sleepwalker). The next one is scheduled to take place while two NFL playoff games are taking place -- again so that Hillary is not observed too closely by the voting public.

Hillary likes to proclaim her problem as the voters not seeing enough of her and her schemes. The actual truth is that the MORE the voters see of Hillary, the LESS they like her.
 

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Discuss the Democrat Party Debate.

Seems like more people were tearing into Bernie Saunders, and many don't seem confident in his ability to lead. Not to mention I've heard the label of Socialist plastered all over him lately.

The label of "socialist" seems to be something that causes those on the right to throw their hands up in horror, as if the word were practically synonymous with "antichrist".

To reject a candidate with nothing more than "he's a socialist" suggests a tribal approach to voting. It makes more sense to look at his specific policies and describe why they are unlikely to work, than to simply say "he's a socialist" as if that were the beginning and ending of the discussion.

IIRC one of his policies is to make university education free for all. An obvious question is who will end up paying for it.
 

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The label of "Socialist" was placed on Bernie Saunders many years ago -- by Bernie Saunders, himself. He likes to refer to himself as a "Democratic" Socialist.

He is right about one thing -- the debates are few and far between to protect Hillary from exposing herself to the voters. The debates that do take place are done on Saturday evenings a week before Christmas to keep the audience level down (only 8 million watched this latest sleepwalker). The next one is scheduled to take place while two NFL playoff games are taking place -- again so that Hillary is not observed too closely by the voting public.

Hillary likes to proclaim her problem as the voters not seeing enough of her and her schemes. The actual truth is that the MORE the voters see of Hillary, the LESS they like her.

I think you're so right with that timing of the debate because it snuck up on us during this holiday season!

I used to like Hilary when her husband was President but then again a lot of the stuff I liked about her was probably just for show anyway. Sometimes politicians try to be someone they think voters want.
 

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I think you're so right with that timing of the debate because it snuck up on us during this holiday season!

I used to like Hilary when her husband was President but then again a lot of the stuff I liked about her was probably just for show anyway. Sometimes politicians try to be someone they think voters want.

Yup, that is what a lot of politicians do. During a campaign for the primaries, they say whatever they think their base supporters want to hear. After getting the nomination, they then move more toward the center in order to get the support of the swing voters in the general.
 

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Yup, that is what a lot of politicians do. During a campaign for the primaries, they say whatever they think their base supporters want to hear. After getting the nomination, they then move more toward the center in order to get the support of the swing voters in the general.

Obama has changed his belief system since getting into office! It annoys me.
 

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Obama has changed his belief system since getting into office! It annoys me.
Yes, would be refreshing to see an honest politician
 

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Obama has changed his belief system since getting into office! It annoys me.

I find Obama annoying, but it isn't a change of belief systems. He has the very same belief system today that he has had all of his life -- socialism/ultra governmental control over the population.

Remember "Joe the Plumber" from Ohio when Obama was running for his first term? During an appearance in Ohio, Joe told Obama that his policies would trigger big increases in taxes (which they have done). Obama did not deny this and simply replied to Joe that "we have to share the wealth."

That should have been one of the first red flags among American voters. But, instead, they fell for his rhetoric, believed it was truthful, and now most have deep regrets for electing him.

I don't know what annoys me more -- our current president or those who voted for him after refusing to believe our warnings about him.

In any event, wishing you -- and everyone here -- a happy new year. :)
 

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Obama is deemed the worst President in history and I am trying to figure out if I can find a way he has helped the country.

His obamacare costs too much to be affordable so I see a failure at that. Our guys overseas are not all home yet and they should be. He doesn't call terrorists as such and protects the wrong people.
 

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Obama is deemed the worst President in history and I am trying to figure out if I can find a way he has helped the country.

The thing is some people think he's one of the best presidents in history. I'm not one of them, but my views don't change the fact that people out there do rate him very highly.

His obamacare costs too much to be affordable so I see a failure at that. Our guys overseas are not all home yet and they should be. He doesn't call terrorists as such and protects the wrong people.

Most policies create winners and losers. Whether someone likes a policy will usually depend on whether they are a winner or a loser. It's quite rare to find someone disliking a policy that benefits them, so any policy that takes wealth from the top 1% and distributes it liberally among the bottom 10% is inevitably going to create a lot more happy people than unhappy people. And if the unhappy people typically vote for the other guy anyway it's a politically safe move to make, effectively buying elections courtesy of the wealth of the other guy's voters.

A few people I've spoken to about Obamacare range from really liking it to not seeing what all the fuss is about. Of the people who express a dislike for it very few have offered a specific reason why. People refer to it as "a black hole", people talk as if it were some kind of socialistic nightmare, but I've yet to see anyone explain why it's such a bad thing. The biggest strike against it I've heard that wasn't a political rant related to an obligation that companies over a certain size had to provide healthcare, resulting in companies marginally bigger laying off full time staff to avoid the requirement. That's not a good state of affairs but seems like an obvious consequence any time any regulation goes from zero effect to full effect as soon as a specific number of employees are hired.
 

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Obama is deemed the worst President in history and I am trying to figure out if I can find a way he has helped the country.

His obamacare costs too much to be affordable so I see a failure at that. Our guys overseas are not all home yet and they should be. He doesn't call terrorists as such and protects the wrong people.

You are wrong about all of that. Obama is protecting us real good. There have been over 9000 air strikes on ISIS. He has done many things to help the country.
 

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My issue is the whole abuse issue with welfare and all that.
 

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You are wrong about all of that. Obama is protecting us real good. There have been over 9000 air strikes on ISIS. He has done many things to help the country.

There may be a few airstrikes on ISIS, but I believe most are being done by other nations, not Obama. And, while the number 9,000 seems impressive, military leaders laugh at that because, when the USA took out al queda from Iraq, the number of strikes probably measured in the 100s of thousands.

Obama is the biggest enemy the United States of America has ever faced in its entire history. I wonder if he is shiite or sunni?
 
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