Daily defense of the divinity of Jesus Christ!

[donadams]

1 Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Only God can be the Lord of Glory!

 

[Albion]

1 Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Only God can be the Lord of Glory!

You'd think so, but just yesterday one of our members was arguing that unless Jesus said "I am God" in exactly those words...then he wasn't God. Or at least we cannot trust what he DID say about his own identity. And "Lord" was specifically ruled out by that poster.

 

[1689Dave]

You'd think so, but just yesterday one of our members was arguing that unless Jesus said "I am God" in exactly those words...then he wasn't God. Or at least we cannot trust what he DID say about his own identity. And "Lord" was specifically ruled out by that poster.

Granville Sharps's rule makes obvious many scriptures revealing Christ's deity in the older manuscripts. Examples:

Granville Sharp’s rule states that when you have two nouns, which are not proper names (such as Cephas, or Paul, or Timothy), which describe a person, and the two nouns are connected by the word “and,” and the first noun has the article (“the”) while the second does not, both nouns are referring to the same person.

Example, The dog and friend of the disaster relief workers found the missing child.

= the dog was also the friend.

God and savior = speaking about the same person. In both cases Jesus is also God.

“as we wait for the happy fulfillment of our hope in the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” (Titus 2:13)

“From Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours.” (2 Peter 1:1)

 

[Lamb]

1 Corinthians 2:8
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

James 2:1
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Only God can be the Lord of Glory!

Is there a question to be asked for this topic? Just curious where you want to go with this?

 

[donadams]

According as his divine power!

“his divine power”!!!


2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.





Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

Paul was a servant of Jesus Christ who is God! Acts 9:16

Suffer for my name


Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

thy saints? Saint of Jesus Christ the most high God!


His angels? Only God has angels!

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[donadams]

Is there a question to be asked for this topic? Just curious where you want to go with this?

No just verses that defend the divinity of Christ.

 

[Albion]

No just verses that defend the divinity of Christ.

Well, '1689Dave' will probably be along any time now to offer the opposite belief, and then you'll be into a seemingly never-ending back and forth! Keep your powder dry!

 

[Origen]

His angels? Only God has angels!

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'" (Matt. 25:41)

 

[donadams]

God is savior / redeemer!

Isa 48:17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Psalm 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Jesus is savior / redeemer!

Lk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

 

[MoreCoffee]

Many bible translations into English say

Simon Peter, servant and apostle of Jesus Christ: to them that have obtained equal faith with us in the justice of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.​

2 Peter 1:1 DRB
Which is the correct way to translate the Greek (in the above version it is English translated from Latin but the Latin is a translation from Greek).

The Latin says

Simon Petrus servus et apostolus Iesu Christi his qui coaequalem nobis sortiti sunt fidem in iustitia Dei nostri et salvatoris Iesu Christi​

The Greek says

σιμων πετρος δουλος και αποστολος ιησου χριστου τοις ισοτιμον ημιν λαχουσιν πιστιν εν δικαιοσυνη του θεου ημων και σωτηρος ημων ιησου χριστου​

The last part (του θεου ημων και σωτηρος ημων ιησου χριστου) is where the Granville-Sharp rule is applied. The Latin, interestingly, mirrors the Greek. And some translate "in iustitia Dei nostri et salvatoris Iesu Christi" as "in the justice of our God and in our Saviour Jesus Christ." which is not entirely helpful. The Douay Rheims Bible - whose New Testament was first published in 1582 AD - says:

1. SIMON PETER seruant and Apostle of IESVS Christ, to them that haue obtained equal faith with vs in the iustice of our God and Sauiour IESVS Christ. (1582 text of the Douay New Testament)​

This is a case where adhering to the Latin text yields a more accurate English translation than was the case for contemporary English translations reliant on the Greek text.

The KJV (1611 AD), for example, says "the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ", because it was translated before the Granville Sharp rule was articulated by Granville Sharp in 1778 AD.

 

[donadams]

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Only in God can all things consist!

Mystery of the trinity!

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

 

[1689Dave]

Well, '1689Dave' will probably be along any time now to offer the opposite belief, and then you'll be into a seemingly never-ending back and forth! Keep your powder dry!

I have many proofs of Christ's deity found in scripture. I wonder how many of them you are aware of?

 

[Albion]

I have many proofs of Christ's deity found in scripture. I wonder how many of them you are aware of?

Since you've raised the issue, you are theologically a Unitarian by your own testimony, falsely claim to agree with the Nicene Creed, and have no right to post on this forum at all.

 

[1689Dave]

You are a Unitarian by your own testimony, falsely claim to agree with the Nicene Creed, and have no right to post on this forum at all.

What's my "unitarian" testimony? Let's make sure you are informed enough to not be lying about me.

 

[Albion]

What's my "unitarian" testimony?

That Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost all rolled into one person, him. That is a denial of the Trinity in favor of unitarianism.

 

[1689Dave]

That Jesus is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost all rolled into one person, him. That is a denial of the Trinity in favor of unitarianism.

You reject the Trinity by saying this. Also, make Jesus crazy.

 

[Albion]

You reject the Trinity by saying this. Also, make Jesus crazy.

Thanks for verifying the fact that you are not a Trinitarian. To be more specific, you view the idea of the Triune God as a matter of there being three roles played by one entity or three qualities or names or something else like that. However, this is a denial of the Christian belief--and Jesus' own testimony--that there is one God made up of three separate persona. Merge them together and you get one form of unitarianism.

 

[1689Dave]

Thanks for verifying the fact that you are not a Trinitarian.

You do not understand the trinity to say that.

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Albion]

You do not understand the trinity to say that.

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Look. the meaning of the Creed is clear and every church, whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, almost completely without exception knows what it is.

And you are simply attempting to make belief in the Trinity be about three qualities or functions of God. Every one of those attempts has been denounced as heresy, and the Creed is the most famous written statement to assert it.

Do not pollute the Christians Only forums with your theories. There are other forums that are available to you.

 

[1689Dave]

Being one substance with the Father, incarnate in human flesh, speaking through the person of the son, shows what Paul said.

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 (KJV 1900)