Cure for the Coronavirus Pandemic

[tango]

No one wanted to admit Trump was right so they were fighting it as much as they could.

But, but, but, I thought Trump was supposed to be wrong on everything, by definition.

 

[hobie]

No one wanted to admit Trump was right so they were fighting it as much as they could.

Well, Hydroxychloroquine works, we have those from the medical field who gave us the heads up and told us what was working from the reports they were seeing before the pandemic hit, and allowed us to prepare.

Just a shame this has gotten political...

 

[hobie]

I'm not a modeler. I'm an IT manager. The President is using models from the University of Washington. They're available at http://covid19.healthdata.org/. I've read many news stories describing different expert opinions. Based on that, I think this site is on the optimistic side. It projects a bit under 100K. The President is now saying 100 - 200K. That sounds like the range of predictions I've seen in various news stories.

100K is in fact a bit worse than a bad flu season. But remember, that's after doing huge amounts of work to contain it. Furthermore, what worries NY isn't just the deaths, but the fact that it overwhelms their hospitals. The site has a pulldown that lets you choose a state. Take a look at NY, and see how much it exceeds their capacity. They seem to be the worst case.

The thing is, that it is taking out people with a reduced autoimmune system or as they call it 'compromised', and if you check the label on the drugs they are passing out for a lot of the medical issues, such as transplants, arthritis, diabetes, etc., it tells you it does exactly that. So that is what is accounting for many of those dying, especially those that leave the doctors scratching their heads. They come in, with a slight cough or sniffle, and die that night or next day. Its my hunch they were on these types of drugs...

The "uncompromised', mostly the young or those in good health with little history of use of medicines, leave the hospital just slightly worse for wear as they say, a few days later..

 

[tango]

Well, Hydroxychloroquine works, we have those from the medical field who gave us the heads up and told us what was working from the reports they were seeing before the pandemic hit, and allowed us to prepare.

Just a shame this has gotten political...

Hydroxychloroquine does work when used in a laboratory setting. At present it's not yet known whether it will cure the virus in humans, in doses that don't poison us.

I got this information from a friend who is a malaria researcher. I'm happy to take his word on it.

 

[hobie]

Hydroxychloroquine does work when used in a laboratory setting. At present it's not yet known whether it will cure the virus in humans, in doses that don't poison us.

I got this information from a friend who is a malaria researcher. I'm happy to take his word on it.

We got it from a 'teaching' doctor who is close to us, who sees what works or new drugs. And he was very worried when he told us, and he does not ever worry.. It shocked us, but we immediately told friends, family, and everyone that would listen and then went to the stores and got the essentials.

 

[tango]

We got it from a 'teaching' doctor who is close to us, who sees what works or new drugs. And he was very worried when he told us, and he does not ever worry.. It shocked us, but we immediately told friends, family, and everyone that would listen and then went to the stores and got the essentials.

What did you get from the teaching doctor? If someone who doesn't worry was worried I'm assuming he wasn't telling you about a possible cure.

 

[hobie]

What did you get from the teaching doctor? If someone who doesn't worry was worried I'm assuming he wasn't telling you about a possible cure.

He told us what they would do once it hit, and what to take as to what would work. And to get food and water and other essentials for the coming 'event' as he has not really believed. But something has changed...That in itself was shocking to say nothing of what he told us... As for myself, I was dumbfounded.

 

[tango]

He told us what they would do once it hit, and what to take as to what would work. And to get food and water and other essentials for the coming 'event' as he has not really believed. But something has changed...That in itself was shocking to say nothing of what he told us... As for myself, I was dumbfounded.

Coming "event"? Is that something you can elaborate on?

There are certainly lots of theories floating about, from the notion that in a few months it will be business as usual to more extreme ideas that this is the beginning of a totalitarian takeover of some description. If it's the latter then it's hard to see how getting food and water is going to help much.

 

[hobie]

Coming "event"? Is that something you can elaborate on?

There are certainly lots of theories floating about, from the notion that in a few months it will be business as usual to more extreme ideas that this is the beginning of a totalitarian takeover of some description. If it's the latter then it's hard to see how getting food and water is going to help much.

It would get so bad that even trying to assist each other would not be possible as they tried to contain this thing. As I said, I was dumbfounded and you could have knocked me over with the proverbial feather. Then on the next call, which was a Friday, he put his parents on so they could say, "Shabbat Shalom", and they have never ever done that, and they are Jewish.

 

[tango]

It would get so bad that even trying to assist each other would not be possible as they tried to contain this thing. As I said, I was dumbfounded and you could have knocked me over with the proverbial feather. Then on the next call, which was a Friday, he put his parents on so they could say, "Shabbat Shalom", and they have never ever done that, and they are Jewish.

It's hard to see such a scenario unfolding nationwide. In a big city it might be possible to enact a total lockdown whereby physical interaction between people not in the same household becomes impossible. Trying to do that in the more remote parts of the country seems like an exercise in futility - it's hard to see how the manpower exists to stop people in rural areas from going out, particularly when farms are adjacent to other farms and you can get from one to the next without going on public roads. Unless you're going to put armed soldiers on every property you just can't enforce such a thing, and it's hard to imagine the military having enough people to do that even before considering how many of them would simply refuse, and how many of them would be picked off by angry citizens with their own firearms.

It's easy to imagine a much harder lockdown in urban areas, it's just a question of what the people will stand for before they revolt and practical limitations on what can be done in rural areas.

 

[hobie]

It's hard to see such a scenario unfolding nationwide. In a big city it might be possible to enact a total lockdown whereby physical interaction between people not in the same household becomes impossible. Trying to do that in the more remote parts of the country seems like an exercise in futility - it's hard to see how the manpower exists to stop people in rural areas from going out, particularly when farms are adjacent to other farms and you can get from one to the next without going on public roads. Unless you're going to put armed soldiers on every property you just can't enforce such a thing, and it's hard to imagine the military having enough people to do that even before considering how many of them would simply refuse, and how many of them would be picked off by angry citizens with their own firearms.

It's easy to imagine a much harder lockdown in urban areas, it's just a question of what the people will stand for before they revolt and practical limitations on what can be done in rural areas.

Well, we are in a rural area, and everyone is hunkered down in their houses. We cant go to the beach, we cant go to the parks, we cant go to the restaurants, basically anything you might like to go to is shut down, so where can you go. Its indirect enforcement and who do you complain to about that, they just kick it up the line.

But, we just got some news on the doctor. His daughters flight which had been booked and paid for before the pandemic hit, was cancelled and she is stuck by herself up north near Boston. We are checking on the situation to see if any way to get her out, but this is the real end results of the fear and panic spread by the media. It has the airlines just shutting down and canceling flights, and we have basically no way to stop them from cutting off friends and family from each other.

 

[tango]

Well, we are in a rural area, and everyone is hunkered down in their houses. We cant go to the beach, we cant go to the parks, we cant go to the restaurants, basically anything you might like to go to is shut down, so where can you go. Its indirect enforcement and who do you complain to about that, they just kick it up the line.

I live in a rural area. Road traffic is down a little but aside from that if you move about the village you'd be forgiven for thinking it was more or less business as usual.

It seems to me that a lot of this whole thing is about scaring people. Yes, the virus is potentially very dangerous but the conflicting information coming from all sides leaves me wondering what agendas are being pushed. When things start to get as partisan as the left-leaning media giving the impression the sky is falling and we're all doomed while the right-leaning media giving the impression that in a couple of weeks we'll all be fine it's hard to believe much of anything. Certainly if some of the ideas being put out there are true (e.g. the idea that for every case we know about there could easily be 50-100 that we don't) then the mortality rate pretty much fades to something very small.

But, we just got some news on the doctor. His daughters flight which had been booked and paid for before the pandemic hit, was cancelled and she is stuck by herself up north near Boston. We are checking on the situation to see if any way to get her out, but this is the real end results of the fear and panic spread by the media. It has the airlines just shutting down and canceling flights, and we have basically no way to stop them from cutting off friends and family from each other.

When you're a long way from family and friends there's always the chance of being isolated from them. If the only sensible airline route is shut down you have to find other options. If family and friends are abroad (in the sense of having to cross an ocean) then a shutdown of airlines makes it far more complex - you can't just drive if you want to cross the Atlantic or Pacific, and going by boat takes a week or more each way so you need a very long break to see people for a short time.

When people are stuck away from home, sooner or later they will simply ignore official advice and get home by whatever means it takes, if that's physically possible. If it looks like governments are going to impose a stricter lockdown later people will ignore the current one and get home while they can.

 

[hobie]

I live in a rural area. Road traffic is down a little but aside from that if you move about the village you'd be forgiven for thinking it was more or less business as usual.

It seems to me that a lot of this whole thing is about scaring people. Yes, the virus is potentially very dangerous but the conflicting information coming from all sides leaves me wondering what agendas are being pushed. When things start to get as partisan as the left-leaning media giving the impression the sky is falling and we're all doomed while the right-leaning media giving the impression that in a couple of weeks we'll all be fine it's hard to believe much of anything. Certainly if some of the ideas being put out there are true (e.g. the idea that for every case we know about there could easily be 50-100 that we don't) then the mortality rate pretty much fades to something very small.



When you're a long way from family and friends there's always the chance of being isolated from them. If the only sensible airline route is shut down you have to find other options. If family and friends are abroad (in the sense of having to cross an ocean) then a shutdown of airlines makes it far more complex - you can't just drive if you want to cross the Atlantic or Pacific, and going by boat takes a week or more each way so you need a very long break to see people for a short time.

When people are stuck away from home, sooner or later they will simply ignore official advice and get home by whatever means it takes, if that's physically possible. If it looks like governments are going to impose a stricter lockdown later people will ignore the current one and get home while they can.

I was thinking along those lines, but a drive from Boston to Miami for a young girl alone, is a not what I would recommend even in normal times. And to drive to her through the raging pandemic in New York to get her and then drive back through it again to bring her down, is putting yourself at highest risk as well as her. America is going to face what may be a lot of life or death decisions this week..

Leaving her in place may be the most agonizingly hard decision, but ultimately the most safest course for now.

 

[tango]

I was thinking along those lines, but a drive from Boston to Miami for a young girl alone, is a not what I would recommend even in normal times. And to drive to her through the raging pandemic in New York to get her and then drive back through it again to bring her down, is putting yourself at highest risk as well as her. America is going to face what may be a lot of life or death decisions this week..

Leaving her in place may be the most agonizingly hard decision, but ultimately the most safest course for now.

Boston to Miami is certainly a long way to travel. With the hotspots around NYC and surrounding areas it would make more sense to tack a bit further west, far enough to miss the southern parts of New York and Philadelphia, and then maybe pick up I-95 somewhere well south of Philly. Driving Miami-Boston-Miami is a huge amount of time on the road, although at least gas is cheap.

I'm assuming this girl has somewhere safe she can stay?

 

[hobie]

Boston to Miami is certainly a long way to travel. With the hotspots around NYC and surrounding areas it would make more sense to tack a bit further west, far enough to miss the southern parts of New York and Philadelphia, and then maybe pick up I-95 somewhere well south of Philly. Driving Miami-Boston-Miami is a huge amount of time on the road, although at least gas is cheap.

I'm assuming this girl has somewhere safe she can stay?

I drove to short of New York before and it was 16 hours straight, so would need to take someone with me and maybe take the 287 highway to the west of New York around to Boston., and then back. That would certainly be more than 20 hours each way, and I certainly am not stopping for a hotel or motel, so that would be 40 hours or more. So it would be a monumental task....

 

[tango]

I drove to short of New York before and it was 16 hours straight, so would need to take someone with me and maybe take the 287 highway to the west of New York around to Boston., and then back. That would certainly be more than 20 hours each way, and I certainly am not stopping for a hotel or motel, so that would be 40 hours or more. So it would be a monumental task....

Doubtful you'd even find a hotel/motel that was open. The good thing about avoiding urban areas is that it should be easier to find somewhere you can sleep in the car, if you reach a point where nobody is sufficiently alert to drive safely.

If you've got multiple drivers you may be able to operate in shifts where one drives while the others rest/sleep, at least up to a point.

 

[hobie]

Doubtful you'd even find a hotel/motel that was open. The good thing about avoiding urban areas is that it should be easier to find somewhere you can sleep in the car, if you reach a point where nobody is sufficiently alert to drive safely.

If you've got multiple drivers you may be able to operate in shifts where one drives while the others rest/sleep, at least up to a point.

Didn't even think about that, will have to check with my trucker friends and see what rest areas they would recommend.

 

[hobie]

Sure, I appreciate that maintaining physical distance from people will have made a huge difference. It's hardly surprising that a city with so many people packed into a tiny space is about as good as it gets from the perspective of a virus. Maintaining physical separation when you've got that many people in that small a space is all but impossible.

ETA: I have a couple of friends with far more medical expertise than I do. The conclusion I've drawn from talking to them is that this is potentially very serious but the main problem with it is that it's unknown and we don't (yet) have a vaccine for it.

Looks like they have several competing vaccines, anyone know what the differences are?

 

[hedrick]

Looks like they have several competing vaccines, anyone know what the differences are?

COVID-19 vaccine

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JoyFreak]

Yeah I've heard that they've found a cure and read into it a little while ago but it requires a lot of testing so it maybe be some time before we see it as officially the cure for it.