Cross references

[MoreCoffee]

I have a Trinitarian Bible Society KJV - 66 books only, alas - with 200,000 cross references according to the publisher. But I noticed the absence of cross references to the deuterocanonical books which is a shame because any reader of the new testament would benefit from seeing which new testament passages quote from or allude to deuterocanonical books.

My New Jerusalem Bible has a rich collection of new testament cross references to the deuterocanonical books.

 

[Josiah]

How ABSURD it would be for the publisher to include cross-references to stuff NOT IN THE BOOK. A "cross reference" is a reference to other parts of the book.

IF the tome had NOTES in it, it COULD reference things outside the tome (thus, not a cross-reference). But it need not do so. And it would need to have NOTES in addition to cross-references.



.

 

[MoreCoffee]

How ABSURD

When one's bible lacks several hundreds of pages that ought to be in it then it is a sad reality that the cross references are lacking completeness.

 

[Andrew]

How ABSURD it would be for the publisher to include cross-references to stuff NOT IN THE BOOK.
.

What about the cross-references to books mentioned in the OT?

How absurd of them!

Not nearly as absurd as removing books along with removing ALL cross references to ALL books.. for a more pure and simpler Bible version; for the freedom of self interpretation to liberate oneself from any confusion by making it make sense to them with their imagination!, like the Quran, or people who make up preferred pronouns to identify with... but then allow the cross-reference back, but still leaving books out and the cross-references to them..

That's pretty sneaky you bible societies you!

Josiah, you would make a great agent for the Bible Society

 

[Josiah]

What about the cross-references to books mentioned in the OT?

Andy -


If the OT is in the tome, then the tome can cross-reference to such, if it's not then that's impossible. It is silly (and impossible) to cross-reference to something NOT contained in the tome. Cross-referencing - by definition - is to other things IN THAT BOOK or article. You know that. Everyone knows that.


I can appreciate MoreCoffee's dismay that his Catholic Bible may not have cross-referencing to the Prayer of Manasseh in it, while my Bible (published by a Lutheran company) does. But that's simply because my Bible has more books in it than his post 1546 Catholic one, it's not because of some grand conspiracy by Catholic Bible societies, it's simply impossible for his Catholic tome to cross-reference to something not in it. Simple.



.

 

[Andrew]

Andy -


If the OT is in the tome, then the tome can cross-reference to such, if it's not then that's impossible. It is silly (and impossible) to cross-reference to something NOT contained in the tome. Cross-referencing - by definition - is to other things IN THAT BOOK or article. You know that. Everyone knows that.


I can appreciate MoreCoffee's dismay that his Catholic Bible may not have cross-referencing to the Prayer of Manasseh in it, while my Bible (published by a Lutheran company) does. But that's simply because my Bible has more books in it than his post 1546 Catholic one, it's not because of some grand conspiracy by Catholic Bible societies, it's simply impossible for his Catholic tome to cross-reference to something not in it. Simple.



.

The Septuagint already had it, Manassah is a prayer that according to the LXX, the prayer is found in the "account of the prayer", which is why the Septuagint includes it, because it included all Holy Jewish Scripture.
Anyway, my Catholic Bible has Manassah in it, it's in the Apocrypha section, outside the deuterocanonical.

I prefer the King James 1611 Apocrypha list myself, which included Manassah.. its really short, not really a book, it's a prayer that is good to read as well as inspired by God to Manassah to repent outloud as his servents took note of his words.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I prefer the King James 1611 Apocrypha list myself, which included Manassah

Both Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press produce KJV with Apocrypha editions that have all the books that you like.

 

[Andrew]

Both Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press produce KJV with Apocrypha editions that have all the books that you like.

The first Bible I read was my Grandmothers Catholic Bible, some pages are faded and damaged and the leather cover has it's inprint faded. Its a King James archaic, the deuterocanon is in the middle but it does not even give it any special label, it just IS.. which is why it did not discourage by confusement.... smart move I think!

But I have a Catholic Good News Bible that was my moms, this is the one that states which books are Canon, which are Deuterocanon, and which are Apocrypha, these were the Bibles I had handy at the time btw..

When I bought a bible to bring to a Pentacostle church, I didn't flip through it until I was seated, and I got really confused, I thought I had bought some incomplete value version of select books, I actually felt embarrassed.

Thats when I got home and compared it to the Good News Gospel and noticed the Labels.. and everytime I brought that lighter Bible to church to fit in, I felt conviction in my heart. I left that church as soon as they began bashing Catholics.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I left that church as soon as they began bashing Catholics.

Catholic bashing is fairly common in some Protestant circles.