Cross dressing pastors!

[Katt5.56]

Pastor who dressed in drag for HBO docuseries loses home and is FIRED

Pastor Craig Duke, from Evansville, Indiana, recently appeared in an episode of the show. After it aired, the church he worked at reportedly 'relieved him of pastoral duties.'

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How can him being fired be the big problem. How could you lead your flock so far from the path.

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[kiwimac]

Pastor who dressed in drag for HBO docuseries loses home and is FIRED

Pastor Craig Duke, from Evansville, Indiana, recently appeared in an episode of the show. After it aired, the church he worked at reportedly 'relieved him of pastoral duties.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

How can him being fired be the big problem. How could you lead your flock so far from the path.

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Do you know their story?

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[Katt5.56]

Only what's available. He was apparently trying support his pansexual daughter and hopes that him doing this would bring unity with the church and the lgbtxyz community. Not to bring sinners to repentance but to try and convince people that it's no big deal. And guess what? It is a big deal.


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[kiwimac]

Only what's available. He was apparently trying support his pansexual daughter and hopes that him doing this would bring unity with the church and the lgbtxyz community. Not to bring sinners to repentance but to try and convince people that it's no big deal. And guess what? It is a big deal.


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Nope, not at all. Homosexuality is no more inherently sinful than is heterosexuality.

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[Katt5.56]

Even if you took the homosexuality out of it, it would still be completely inappropriate behavior for a pastor. If he was smoking crack with the congregation he would also be fired. Would anyone find problem with that? So promoting behavior that has undeniable consequences of addiction, depression, suicide, and abuse should be dealt with strictly. No pastor should encourage such behaviors.

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[Fritz Kobus]

Nope, not at all. Homosexuality is no more inherently sinful than is heterosexuality.

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Are you serious? Homosexualituy is sin, period! Heterosexuality is only a sin if the people are not married.

Please cite what you think is in the Bible that approves homosexuality? We would like to know where you are coming from.

 

[tango]

Are you serious? Homosexualituy is sin, period! Heterosexuality is only a sin if the people are not married.

Please cite what you think is in the Bible that approves homosexuality? We would like to know where you are coming from.

It's worth being a bit careful with terminology here. Homosexual desires are no more sinful than heterosexual desires - what is prohibited in the OT is homosexual activity. A man being attracted to another man isn't inherently sinful, if he chooses not to act upon that desire - that would be no more sinful than me being attracted to a woman other than my wife.

 

[Katt5.56]

But why would a pastor exhibiting these behaviors be acceptable because one behavior is as sinfully as another. By that logic we should just live in out sin and pastors should have no moral. This man isn't just being accepting if homosexual behavior but promoting it. If he was promoting heterosexual adultery would it then be offensive to you?


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[TonyC7]

Gross!!!

 

[Fritz Kobus]

It's worth being a bit careful with terminology here. Homosexual desires are no more sinful than heterosexual desires - what is prohibited in the OT is homosexual activity. A man being attracted to another man isn't inherently sinful, if he chooses not to act upon that desire - that would be no more sinful than me being attracted to a woman other than my wife.

It is a very fine line and one that is easily crossed. Matthew 5:28: "...whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." If that 'desire" includes lusting after, then it is sin whether acted upon or not.

 

[tango]

It is a very fine line and one that is easily crossed. Matthew 5:28: "...whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." If that 'desire" includes lusting after, then it is sin whether acted upon or not.

Yes, except looking at someone and finding them attractive isn't the same as lusting after someone. Desiring someone isn't the same as lusting after someone. Lust is a much more active desire than attraction, no?

My point was that a man who desires another man is really no different, from a sinfulness perspective, than a man who desires a woman other than his wife. The desire isn't the sin, what is done with the desire determines whether or not it becomes sinful.

 

[tango]

But why would a pastor exhibiting these behaviors be acceptable because one behavior is as sinfully as another. By that logic we should just live in out sin and pastors should have no moral. This man isn't just being accepting if homosexual behavior but promoting it. If he was promoting heterosexual adultery would it then be offensive to you?


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Hang on - he started out being a man in drag and now he's promoting homosexuality? Are the two inherently related in some way?

 

[Fritz Kobus]

Yes, except looking at someone and finding them attractive isn't the same as lusting after someone. Desiring someone isn't the same as lusting after someone. Lust is a much more active desire than attraction, no?

My point was that a man who desires another man is really no different, from a sinfulness perspective, than a man who desires a woman other than his wife. The desire isn't the sin, what is done with the desire determines whether or not it becomes sinful.

Finding someone attractive is fine. A married man finding another woman attractive is fine, but to desire her? That seems to me to be across the line. That is why I like the conservative Mennonite and Amish practice where women (and men) dress very modestly. In modern society it is very easy for attractive to leap directly to sexual desire with so many dressing provocatively. The swimming beach is off limits to me as in my pre-Christian days I misused my mind at the beach and at any other opportunity. Maybe those who grew up in a Christian atmosphere don't have that problem? A friend of mine, actually the guy who brought me to Jesus, said the first look happens, but the second look is crossing the line.

 

[Katt5.56]

Hang on - he started out being a man in drag and now he's promoting homosexuality? Are the two inherently related in some way?

Absolutely. The entire point of drag is to allow men to live out sexual fantasies and give themselves over to wild imaginations and behavior unbecoming to those made in the image of God. Celebrating sin and promoting it hold no separate distinction. Also, by a daughter watching her father behave in such away he is absolutely promoting it in her life by proving how far he is willing to go to accommodate her sin.

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[kiwimac]

Absolutely. The entire point of drag is to allow men to live out sexual fantasies and give themselves over to wild imaginations and behavior unbecoming to those made in the image of God. Celebrating sin and promoting it hold no separate distinction. Also, by a daughter watching her father behave in such away he is absolutely promoting it in her life by proving how far he is willing to go to accommodate her sin.

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Twaddle.

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[Bluezone777]

If he wanted to support homosexuals or sinners in general, he would be leading them to Christ. Jesus might have sat down and shared a meal with sinners but he didn't join them in their sin which is exactly what this pastor was doing. A pastor is supposed to set an example of righteous living for his flock to imitate and he failed in that duty and was fired for it. It's not so surprising unbelievers are running to the forefront for this deceived pastor because the worldly always love their own and hate those who are genuinely following Christ.

 

[kiwimac]

If he wanted to support homosexuals or sinners in general, he would be leading them to Christ. Jesus might have sat down and shared a meal with sinners but he didn't join them in their sin which is exactly what this pastor was doing. A pastor is supposed to set an example of righteous living for his flock to imitate and he failed in that duty and was fired for it. It's not so surprising unbelievers are running to the forefront for this deceived pastor because the worldly always love their own and hate those who are genuinely following Christ.

More twaddle.

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[Bluezone777]

More twaddle.

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Coming from you with the posts I seen from you on various topics regarding the Christian faith on this board, I would take that as a compliment.

 

[tango]

Absolutely. The entire point of drag is to allow men to live out sexual fantasies and give themselves over to wild imaginations and behavior unbecoming to those made in the image of God. Celebrating sin and promoting it hold no separate distinction. Also, by a daughter watching her father behave in such away he is absolutely promoting it in her life by proving how far he is willing to go to accommodate her sin.

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Really? Last time I dressed in drag (many many years ago now, admittedly) it had precisely nothing to do with "sexual fantasies" or "wild imaginations" and everything to do with having a laugh.

I guess you've never seen a traditional British "pantomime dame"? Nothing sexual about it at all, they are considered family friendly entertainment and have been for decades. But, by all means, jump to conclusions and see how well it persuades people.

 

[Lamb]

Really? Last time I dressed in drag (many many years ago now, admittedly) it had precisely nothing to do with "sexual fantasies" or "wild imaginations" and everything to do with having a laugh.

I guess you've never seen a traditional British "pantomime dame"? Nothing sexual about it at all, they are considered family friendly entertainment and have been for decades. But, by all means, jump to conclusions and see how well it persuades people.

A former student of mine dresses up in drag for a living and it's very sexual.