World Crisis in the Middle East -- Is This Armageddon?

[Webster]

As tensions between Iran and Israel dominate the headlines, many are asking what it means for the Middle East and the world. Join hosts Danny and Yvonne Shelton with guests Pastor John Lomacang and Pastor James Rafferty as they look beyond speculation to explore the hope found in Scripture. On this 3ABN Today special, we are reminded that in uncertain times our true peace is found in Christ.

 

[Frankj]

We're not even close to Armageddon.

For the last several thousand years people have convinced themselves we are and for the last several thousand years they have been wrong.

We have enough to deal with today to waste time worrying about something taking place at some unpredictable future date.

 

[Lamb]

Trump thinks it will end very soon. I hope so.

We've always heard that there will be wars and rumors of wars so I don't think this is any different.

 

[SetFree]

We are supposed to be following the Signs of of the end leading up to Christ's future return. And those Signs reveal a pseudo-Christ must come first to Jerusalem and exalt himself as God, working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world. That false one is to destroy using peace we are told, and one of Jesus' Signs is to not be troubled as long as we hear of wars and rumors of war, for those things must be, but the END is not yet, meaning the great tribulation. That reveals the END will be a time of world peace, and we are told that false Christ will use peace to destroy many, and that craft will prosper in his hand.

So no, Armageddon is not near just yet.

 

[NewCreation435]

No, it is not. There have been several incidents like this over the years.

 

[Webster]

We're not even close to Armageddon.

We've always heard that there will be wars and rumors of wars so I don't think this is any different.

So no, Armageddon is not near just yet.

There have been several incidents like this over the years.

Agreed and that's the consensus in the above video - that we're not approaching Armageddon.
But you'd never know that listening to Evangelicals.

 

[Lamb]

Agreed and that's the consensus in the above video - that we're not approaching Armageddon.
But you'd never know that listening to Evangelicals.

That's probably because they secretly want a third world war to blame Trump for something else. They seem to revel in his failures even though it hurts our country. I can't wrap my head around that type of thinking.

 

[Frankj]

That's probably because they secretly want a third world war to blame Trump for something else. They seem to revel in his failures even though it hurts our country. I can't wrap my head around that type of thinking.

"Evil appears as good in the minds of those whom god leads to destruction." - Sophocles

"Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness." - Paul

 

[Maranatha]

they secretly want a third world war

Who are "they" who secretly want a third world war ?
Can you be more specific, I don't get it .
Edit:
and how did you come to such a conclusion ??

 

[Webster]

That's probably because they secretly want a third world war to blame Trump for something else.

I don't know; many evangelicals, Lamb, voted for Trump.
So for them to blame Treump would mean they've have to search within their own hearts and that's not something they're likely to do.

 

[Lamb]

Who are "they" who secretly want a third world war ?
Can you be more specific, I don't get it .
Edit:
and how did you come to such a conclusion ??

Those with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Frankj]

Those with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

This leads to the basic ontological conflict, two opposing sides each demanding the other be what they want them to be instead of being what they want themselves to be.

A conflict that is only resolved by total control of one side over the other or the total destruction of one or both sides through the use of force against each other.

This leads me to ask a simple question, as a Christian can you remain unchanged in a world that is changing around you.

 

[SetFree]

Who are "they" who secretly want a third world war ?
Can you be more specific, I don't get it .
Edit:
and how did you come to such a conclusion ??

There does exist 'some' among Christian denominations today that are pushing world socialism that meet when Moscow has a religious summit every once in a while, inviting them. This is no joke. The last one summit in Moscow when Christian pastors met there that I read in the news was in 1993.

The ex-KGB colonel Anatoliy Golitsyn, who defected to the U.S. in the 1960's, wrote in his 1984 book New Lies For Old about those religious summits that began especially with the Russian Peristroika democratizations after the Berlin Wall came down. He said those religious summits, which included Christian pastors from the west, were pushing the doctrines of pacification and disarmament.

This is actually in alignment with the Soviet Communist's 1958 long-range strategy to take over the United States, with 45 strategic points ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen listed in his 1958 book The Naked Communist...

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." (Remember these goals were published to expose them in 1958) Coincidence?

https://cultureshield.com/PDF/45_Goals.pdf

 

[SetFree]

I don't know; many evangelicals, Lamb, voted for Trump.
So for them to blame Treump would mean they've have to search within their own hearts and that's not something they're likely to do.

Right. Lot of evangelicals voted for Trump and actually care about our nation and its peoples, and are on the up and up. But even the Church is like every other type organization on earth, the enemy creeps in to try to destroy it. Remember, this present world time is not... Christ's literal Kingdom just yet, which is why when the devil tempted Lord Jesus in Luke 4, the devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of this world, and offered them to Jesus if He would follow him.

 

[Lamb]

This leads to the basic ontological conflict, two opposing sides each demanding the other be what they want them to be instead of being what they want themselves to be.

A conflict that is only resolved by total control of one side over the other or the total destruction of one or both sides through the use of force against each other.

This leads me to ask a simple question, as a Christian can you remain unchanged in a world that is changing around you.

As a Christian, I remain unchanged in my trust in Christ Jesus.

 

[Webster]

Lot of evangelicals voted for Trump

actually care about our nation and its peoples

I don't know if I'd put those in the same sentence; a lot of Christians also voted for Kamala Harris (and before them, Joe Biden and Hillary and Barack Obama, et. al.) and had no reservations doing so (especially the three times agst. Donald Trump, a man I would remind you is a thirce-married serial sexual predator and adjucated sexual assaulter). There's also the fact that, on a denominational level, many evangelicals still give Adventists like myself the Christian side-eye, even decades after finally accepting us as Christians (remind me to explain that sordid history sometime).

 

[SetFree]

I don't know if I'd put those in the same sentence; a lot of Christians also voted for Kamala Harris (and before them, Joe Biden and Hillary and Barack Obama, et. al.) and had no reservations doing so (especially the three times agst. Donald Trump, a man I would remind you is a thirce-married serial sexual predator and adjucated sexual assaulter). There's also the fact that, on a denominational level, many evangelicals still give Adventists like myself the Christian side-eye, even decades after finally accepting us as Christians (remind me to explain that sordid history sometime).

Sorry, but I don't believe all that about Trump. Sounds more like a smear campaign strategy.

Hard-line Democrats are just that; they don't care who's running as a Democrat, they are going to vote Democrat, especially the older generation that goes back to the Depression era and many of children. My father threatened to whip my fanny if he ever caught me voting Republican (which I have, many times).

 

[Webster]

Sounds more like a smear campaign strategy.

And yet backed up by past events.
Its' not a smear if you can back it up.

 

[Lamb]

Sorry, but I don't believe all that about Trump. Sounds more like a smear campaign strategy.

Hard-line Democrats are just that; they don't care who's running as a Democrat, they are going to vote Democrat, especially the older generation that goes back to the Depression era and many of children. My father threatened to whip my fanny if he ever caught me voting Republican (which I have, many times).

You're right. Democrats are very loyal to the party and not to the person. My husband's cousin complained about older politicians and when I asked who she was voting for in the election...she proudly stated Biden. Well don't complain then if that's how you're going to vote, right?

 

[Frankj]

You're right. Democrats are very loyal to the party and not to the person. My husband's cousin complained about older politicians and when I asked who she was voting for in the election...she proudly stated Biden. Well don't complain then if that's how you're going to vote, right?

IMO, a Christian should never place any political party above the rule and law of God, and should always consider that if the party they are a member of or voting for officially stands against God's laws as stated in the Bible then they should not be a part of it since by doing so they also stand against God.

FWIW, I don't limit this to political parties and candidates, I apply it equally to all things we do and all things we belong to.