Birth control

[psalms 91]

Why complicate it, you either believe in life at conception or you dont, you either believe that life has a right to exist or you believe mothers rights overshadow that. Not hard at all nor is it hard to see where God stands on all this

 

[MoreCoffee]

Simply because removing the testicles is a lot less invasive than removing the ovaries.

But let's stick to the more pressing issue - are you saying it's acceptable to have surgery to remove the ovaries as a means of preventing further conception but not acceptable to use a condom?

No.

 

[tango]

No.

So going back to the example of the couple I mentioned earlier, do you believe they should abstain from sex for a decade or more to avoid bringing any more children into the world? If not, what should they do?

 

[tango]

Why complicate it, you either believe in life at conception or you dont, you either believe that life has a right to exist or you believe mothers rights overshadow that. Not hard at all nor is it hard to see where God stands on all this

Except whether life begins at conception isn't the primary issue here.

If life begins at conception (as opposed to implantation) that raises moral concerns around things like an IUD.

If life begins at implantation that raises moral concerns around abortion.

Neither situation raises any moral questions where barrier methods are concerned because it prevents the conception from happening in the first place. If no conception occurs then life doesn't begin at all, therefore the question is redundant.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So going back to the example of the couple I mentioned earlier, do you believe they should abstain from sex for a decade or more to avoid bringing any more children into the world? If not, what should they do?

No.

 

[Josiah]

The RCC no longer teaches that couples that should not conceive ergo should not have sex (I'm not sure it EVER taught that OFFICIALLY). No. Now the point is that couple who don't want conception to happen may still HAVE sex. Lots of sex. Probably as much as otherwise, if not more. It's just they may use Birth Control to make all that sex they are HAVING unlikely to result in conception - so as to be contraceptive sex; sex without the likelihood of conception, a baby, a child, LIFE resulting.

 

[tango]

No.

Er.... OK.

I'm not sure just what you're trying to say here. If your church teaches that artificial contraception is bad, you earlier mentioned that abstinence was a viable option to prevent further children but it's clearly not suitable for a decade or more, so what do you believe this particular couple should do? Should they just hope they don't end up with another child?

 

[Full O Beans]

Birth control as wisely used by married couples, especially Christians who walk in relationship with Jesus Christ and follow His lead and His wisdom for their lives, is a good thing. God gives us great powers of choice and when we use them in accordance with His leading, He blesses and is blessed.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Birth control as wisely used by married couples, especially Christians who walk in relationship with Jesus Christ and follow His lead and His wisdom for their lives, is a good thing.

Where does holy scripture say that birth control is a good thing?

God gives us great powers of choice and when we use them in accordance with His leading, He blesses and is blessed.

Interesting that you're argument is pro-choice.

 

[Full O Beans]

I am NOT PRO CHOICE!!

God blesses His kids with His wisdom in marriage concerning planning for children. It's between the couple and their Lord.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am NOT PRO CHOICE!!

Yes you are when it comes to artificial birth control. You said so yourself. You wrote "God gives us great powers of choice and when we use them in accordance with His leading, He blesses and is blessed". Clearly holy scripture never leads one to use artificial means of birth control yet you advocate doing so.

God blesses His kids with His wisdom in marriage concerning planning for children. It's between the couple and their Lord.

 

[Full O Beans]

Yes you are when it comes to artificial birth control. You said so yourself. You wrote "God gives us great powers of choice and when we use them in accordance with His leading, He blesses and is blessed". Clearly holy scripture never leads one to use artificial means of birth control yet you advocate doing so.

I see you purposely make the effort to misinterpret so you can accuse. Gotcha!

You are wrong, however.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I see you purposely make the effort to misinterpret so you can accuse. Gotcha!

You are wrong, however.

You advocate using artificial birth control do you not? You said it is a matter of choice. You dressed it up in pious words about God but God never advocates using artificial birth control. Your teaching is not biblical. I will not follow it.

 

[Full O Beans]

You advocate using artificial birth control do you not? You said it is a matter of choice. You dressed it up in pious words about God but God never advocates using artificial birth control. Your teaching is not biblical. I will not follow it.

Yes, prevention of pregnancy is a choice a godly couple makes along with the Lord.

You don't have to follow after other Christian couples. It's none if your business.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, prevention of pregnancy is a choice a godly couple makes along with the Lord.

No, it is not a godly choice made by a couple along with the Lord. Using artificial means of birth control is in fact a choice made without God and contrary to the teaching of Christ and the holy scriptures.

You don't have to follow after other Christian couples. It's none if your business.

The teaching you proclaim in this thread is public teaching and hence is open to criticism and correction by all who read it.

 

[Full O Beans]

No, it is not a godly choice made by a couple along with the Lord. Using artificial means of birth control is in fact a choice made without God and contrary to the teaching of Christ and the holy scriptures.



The teaching you proclaim in this thread is public teaching and hence is open to criticism and correction by all who read it.

Lol! OK! You have no say in what godly people do in their Christian marriages concerning contraception.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Lol! OK! You have no say in what godly people do in their Christian marriages concerning contraception.

The holy scriptures do have a say if they are godly but I suspect that the folk who follow your teaching are not godly.

 

[Full O Beans]

The holy scriptures do have a say if they are godly but I suspect that the folk who follow your teaching are not godly.

Godly and wise Christians use contraception if God says it's alright FOR THEM. There is nothing wrong with it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Godly and wise Christians use contraception

No. They don't. disobedient people use artificial contraception.

if God says it's alright FOR THEM. There is nothing wrong with it.

 

[Full O Beans]

No. They don't. disobedient people use artificial contraception.

Lol! You don't know any, then. You judge poorly.