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Being triggered is up to you

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I saw a meme and even though I can't remember the exact wording, the message indicated that we can't be triggered unless we allow it. Do you agree? Why or why not?
 

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It would depend on what is meant by being triggered.

To a large extent we can choose whether to be offended by something. We can decide how we respond to a form of words we might not have chosen, and it often seems like a lot of "offense" is manufactured. The terms we're supposed to use apparently change with the tides, and some people set themselves up as arbiters of what is offensive and what is up to date. I remember a case somewhat recently in which a senator - I think Senator Hirono from Hawaii, but could be wrong on that - commented about the term "sexual preferences" being outdated and offensive because the correct term was "sexual orientation", although the person who had used "sexual preferences" was a lesbian and figured she could decide for herself what term to use to describe the fact she had a preference for other women.

But then there's another aspect because sometimes being triggered is a physiological matter, or a deeply rooted psychological/psychiatric matter than we can't necessarily consciously override in the moment. If someone threw a bucket of blood, vomit and feces over you the chances are you'd be triggered in some way - primarily in the form of revulsion - whether you decided to be triggered or not. Likewise people who have suffered extreme traumas may exhibit an amygdala-based response that makes no sense to someone who doesn't regard the specific prompt as representing any threat, let alone a substantial threat.

So I think the short version is that, as is often the case, a meme sums up something that is kinda-sorta-broadly true but misses much nuance.
 

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If it isn't instinctual behavior it is consciously controllable behavior, something called Free Will.
 

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No I have PTSD and I cant control my triggers or my response to them I learn how to deal with them but not how to eliminate them because they cant be eliminated
 

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No I have PTSD and I cant control my triggers or my response to them I learn how to deal with them but not how to eliminate them because they cant be eliminated

A discussion of this from both Christian and secular standpoints could be productive and lead to deeper understandings of ourselves, the teachings of Jesus, and the way they are influenced by the secular world in which we live and its effect on us and our understanding of Jesus' teachings and how we apply them in our lives.

This could become a very intense and all encompassing discussion, and most people would rather shy away from it than engage it on a meaningful basis.

I suspect we may have similar backgrounds but have taken different approaches to our difficulties in dealing with them.
 

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No I have PTSD and I cant control my triggers or my response to them I learn how to deal with them but not how to eliminate them because they cant be eliminated

Is it true that they can't be eliminated? Methods like systematic desensitization can be very helpful when dealing with trauma responses although for many people the cost is prohibitive, as it can take some considerable time.
 

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Some triggers are chosen purposely. And also, when you get a narrative running a group, what the group declares offensive -- if you engage in that, you will trigger them. [For example, oppose the claim that Trans Women are Women in Seattle]. I don't think that is intentional so much as you are now going against a sacred cow. Conservatives have it for their issues. Fundamentalists for theirs, Evangelicals for theirs, and so on.

Some are installed through blatant and corrupt evil like MK Ultra and SRA which inflict trauma upon people intentionally to put deep instinctual programming into them.

PTSD would also be where an environmental / circumstance traumas cause it.

[I should note: I speak theoretically for much of this, just from observation and study]

So I think some are controllable, but for most people, triggers are not -- because even the narrative based triggers -- humans are instinctively tribal and will respond to threats to their tribe.
 
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Some triggers are chosen purposely. And also, when you get a narrative running a group, what the group declares offensive -- if you engage in that, you will trigger them. [For example, oppose the claim that Trans Women are Women in Seattle].
If someone claims that to me I usually just say like "Trigender women are insane men no matter where they are", which is nothing more than stating the truth, and we are told that knowing the truth will set us free.

If you are afraid to speak truth, you have already surrendered to the lie so ask yourself, did Jesus ever avoided speaking the truth for fear of the consequences?

A Cristian should try to live the way Jesus taught us, whether by his words or by his actions.
 

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Some triggers are chosen purposely. And also, when you get a narrative running a group, what the group declares offensive -- if you engage in that, you will trigger them. [For example, oppose the claim that Trans Women are Women in Seattle]. I don't think that is intentional so much as you are now going against a sacred cow. Conservatives have it for their issues. Fundamentalists for theirs, Evangelicals for theirs, and so on.

Some are installed through blatant and corrupt evil like MK Ultra and SRA which inflict trauma upon people intentionally to put deep instinctual programming into them.

PTSD would also be where an environmental / circumstance traumas cause it.

[I should note: I speak theoretically for much of this, just from observation and study]

So I think some are controllable, but for most people, triggers are not -- because even the narrative based triggers -- humans are instinctively tribal and will respond to threats to their tribe.

For me I'd say that for something to count as a trigger it would have to be an involuntary response. As I mentioned in my example, if someone threw a bucket of vomit and excrement over someone the chances are they would vomit themselves, not by choice but in an involuntary response to what was done to them.

Someone with PTSD (which in many ways isn't really a disorder at all) will respond to whatever caused the traumatic response in the first place. Anyone who has suffered a specific trauma may have an involuntary response that might appear irrational to anyone who hasn't experienced their situation.

If someone can sit and say how triggered they are, frankly it sounds like a rational response rather than a trigger response. And then there are the people who sit and observe something they claim is hugely offensive to them and later say how they were so shocked they couldn't respond, which might be a genuine response but might also be an after-the-fact attempt to gloss over why they didn't speak up in the moment.
 

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Offense is one thing and I agree that to a large extent we can choose but PTSD is whole other thing and that we cant choose. As somone with PTSD I can tell you that I cant control my triggers, extra loud noise, among many others and I cant control that.
 

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I saw a meme and even though I can't remember the exact wording, the message indicated that we can't be triggered unless we allow it. Do you agree? Why or why not?
I don't think it is that simple. A lot of things that we do are a part of what we learned growing up and our culture. It is what cognitive therapist call our core values and those don't tend to change over time. We may not even be consciously aware of why we do some of the things we do.
 

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I wanted to add: there are people who like to be cruel and like to get reactions from people who cover up what they say by "just saying" or "I'm being honest". This kind of meme can be posted by someone like that.

Also re: the comments, I do not mean intentional offense -- slaughtering sacred cows can trigger someone (look at how the Jewish leaders responded to Jesus). I think purposeful offense acting like trigger is done by people like narcissists or drama queens.
 
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