Athesist

[MoreCoffee]

Atheists.

I posted some video clips from YouTube produced by an atheist chap from Australia.

They are interesting. Suggestive of how a knowledgeable atheist might see various passages in the bible.

And one must admit that some passages in the bible are scary :scared:

Some recommend horrible things.

Of course There's also a thread on Context!!!. Have a look at it.

This thread is a brief explanation of why I created the other threads.

It is to make the point that private interpretation can have some interesting outcomes.

Like this;

 

[Andrew]

What's an Athesist?

 

[MoreCoffee]

What's an Athesist?

A tragic typo for Atheist.

 

[Arsenios]

What's an Athesist?

I think he meant Akathist...

All clear now?


A.

 

[Andrew]

Atheist love to spend their lives focused on mocking and/or refuting Christianity, I find it a fascinating spectacle... seeing that it only strengthens our faith if anything, heck I used to be an atheist but I have to admit that then -if a criminal were to point a gun to my head I would have to pray, and pray to whom? God? yep, because atheist are not willing to die for their faith

 

[MennoSota]

I think he meant Akathist...

All clear now?


A.

I thought MC meant an Athabascarist. A worshipper of grass or weed.

Word origin of 'Athabasca'

Cree dial.*ahthapaskaaw, name of lake, lit., there are reeds here and there <*ahthap-, net(like) +*-ask-, vegetation + formative suffixes
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/athabasca

 

[MoreCoffee]

I thought MC meant an Athabascarist. A worshipper of grass or weed.

You certainly did not think that. Why you would tell a lie for the sake of imagined wit is interesting. There's a commandment about telling lies.

Word origin of 'Athabasca'

Cree dial.*ahthapaskaaw, name of lake, lit., there are reeds here and there <*ahthap-, net(like) +*-ask-, vegetation + formative suffixes
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/athabasca

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think he meant Akathist...

nope ... are you fibbing?

All clear now?


A.

 

[MennoSota]

You certainly did not think that. Why you would tell a lie for the sake of imagined wit is interesting. There's a commandment about telling lies.

Your pouting is noted. I'm sure your catechism has a commandment for us...

 

[MoreCoffee]

Your pouting is noted. I'm sure your catechism has a commandment for us...

Yes, it does.

THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.[SUP]252[/SUP]

It was said to the men of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn."[SUP]253[/SUP]

2464 The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of the holy people to bear witness to their God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth express by word or deed a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense, they undermine the foundations of the covenant.​

252 ⇒ Exo 20:16; Cf. ⇒ Deut 5:20.
253 ⇒ Mt 5:33.​

 

[MennoSota]

Yes, it does.

THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.[SUP]252[/SUP]

It was said to the men of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn."[SUP]253[/SUP]

2464 The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of the holy people to bear witness to their God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth express by word or deed a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense, they undermine the foundations of the covenant.​

252 ⇒ Exo 20:16; Cf. ⇒ Deut 5:20.
253 ⇒ Mt 5:33.​

Is this supposed to explain your pouting?
MC, your church has idols it worships beside God that go before God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is this supposed to explain your pouting?

The commandment explains why it is wicked to post lies. You know; You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. It's something that is alleged to be spoken by God himself and written by God's own hand. But if you like you can ignore it, many people do.

MC, your church has idols it worships beside God that go before God.

The image of Christ is the icon of God par excellence. Other images such as representations of Blessed Mary and the Saints point to the Lord Jesus Christ who through their holy example in life is glorified. These images proclaim the same Gospel message that holy scripture communicates by the word and the images communicate visibly without the need for literate readers and they help to awaken and nourish the faith of Christians.

 

[MennoSota]

The commandment explains why it is wicked to post lies. You know; You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour. It's something that is alleged to be spoken by God himself and written by God's own hand. But if you like you can ignore it, many people do.



The image of Christ is the icon of God par excellence. Other images such as representations of Blessed Mary and the Saints point to the Lord Jesus Christ who through their holy example in life is glorified. These images proclaim the same Gospel message that holy scripture communicates by the word and the images communicate visibly without the need for literate readers and they help to awaken and nourish the faith of Christians.

The Roman church still has Jesus dying on a cross...as though Jesus words "it is finished" don't exist.
Spare us your faux righteousness, MC.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Roman church still has Jesus dying on a cross...as though Jesus words "it is finished" don't exist.

There were thousands crucified during Pontius Pilate's governorship and probably many tens of thousands crucified during Rome's empire and maybe before it during the Republic era. A crucifix shows specifically who was crucified for the sake of his people; Jesus Christ the Lord. If you are content with a cross that is your business I have both crosses and crucifixes and for prayer and worship I prefer to see a crucifix.

Spare us your faux righteousness, MC.

 

[psalms 91]

Personally I like an empty cross as it speaks to Christ as the risen saviour. I do not like a crucifix but for those that do it does no harm

 

[MoreCoffee]

Personally I like an empty cross as it speaks to Christ as the risen saviour. I do not like a crucifix but for those that do it does no harm

One thing that an empty cross lacks is anything to explicitly say that it is about Jesus. Many people wear crosses as jewellery without any religious significance for them. But a crucifix says "INRI" above the corpus on the cross so that people can know that it is about "Jesus of Nazareth" who was "king of the Jews" which is what the letters INRI mean. They are an abbreviation, an acrostic, of the Latin phrase Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum.

 

[MennoSota]

Personally I like an empty cross as it speaks to Christ as the risen saviour. I do not like a crucifix but for those that do it does no harm

It teaches people that Jesus is still dying and his atonement is incomplete. It implies that humans have to work their way into the good graces of God. I believe it does great harm in presenting a theological falsehood.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It teaches people that Jesus is still dying and his atonement is incomplete. It implies that humans have to work their way into the good graces of God. I believe it does great harm in presenting a theological falsehood.

Well you may see a crucifix that way but I do not. I see a crucifix as teaching me that Jesus died for his people and that his death was as the king of the Jews, the heir of David whose reign is to last forever and that we rely on his death and his resurrection for the forgiveness of our sins and the gift of eternal life with God as human beings like Jesus. It reminds me of the cost of saving the faithful from their sins. It reminds me of the love of God. It reminds me of the inherent wickedness of people, even God's own people, that led to such a cruel death of the Son of God. It helps me to focus my prayers by contemplating the life, sufferings, death, resurrection, and glorification of the Lord. It gives me an opportunity for thankfulness to God for what he did for me. But if you prefer an empty cross that is your business.

 

[MoreCoffee]

When Moses raised a snake image on a pole it was to the image that the people were to look for their healing. Moses didn't raise an empty pole to prove how image (and idol) free the new religion was. The same principle applies to the cross, it has an image to tell the faithful to look to Jesus for their healing. They receive no benefit from looking at an empty cross, the empty cross doesn't save them but the man who died on it does. Or so the gospel says. But maybe your religion says different.

 

[psalms 91]

When Moses raised a snake image on a pole it was to the image that the people were to look for their healing. Moses didn't raise an empty pole to prove how image (and idol) free the new religion was. The same principle applies to the cross, it has an image to tell the faithful to look to Jesus for their healing. They receive no benefit from looking at an empty cross, the empty cross doesn't save them but the man who died on it does. Or so the gospel says. But maybe your religion says different.

If the cross wasnt empty then there would be no salvation