Am I saved?

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Does anyone ever wonder if they are really still saved..like sometimes i go for weeks or months without reading the Bible or praying etc and I wonder if I messed it all up..some people believe you cant lose it ever but I dont know anymore..

Like..I still believe...and i try to be nice and helpful to everyone like at work at stuff..but sometimes I dont have the most Christian lifestyle if that makes any sense...like for example I enjoy some music and movies that most Christians would hate.......and if i died right now would I go to Heaven or Hell... I dunno......I try to treat people like Jesus would treat them....thats good, right?

like today I let a bad word slip and I joked to my friend "oh well I guess I'm going to Hell now"

and yeah I know Jesus forgives all sins...but does that include dumb stuff that I do on purpose?

Does anyone know what the heck I'm talking about...or have I drank too much Mountain Dew and making myself go crazy? LOL
 

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Does anyone ever wonder if they are really still saved..like sometimes i go for weeks or months without reading the Bible or praying etc and I wonder if I messed it all up..some people believe you cant lose it ever but I dont know anymore..

Like..I still believe...and i try to be nice and helpful to everyone like at work at stuff..but sometimes I dont have the most Christian lifestyle if that makes any sense...like for example I enjoy some music and movies that most Christians would hate.......and if i died right now would I go to Heaven or Hell... I dunno......I try to treat people like Jesus would treat them....thats good, right?

like today I let a bad word slip and I joked to my friend "oh well I guess I'm going to Hell now"

and yeah I know Jesus forgives all sins...but does that include dumb stuff that I do on purpose?

Does anyone know what the heck I'm talking about...or have I drank too much Mountain Dew and making myself go crazy? LOL
Where to start.

There are four distinct Gospel messages in the Bible.

Four Gospel Messages:

  1. The Good News of Salvation: In Christ we are rescued from sin's cause, curse, and consequence.
  2. The Good News of Reconciliation: In Christ we are restored to right relationship
  3. The Good News of Sanctification: In Christ we are cleansed of impurity
  4. The Good News of Hope: In Christ we are have access to God's grace and mercy.
The one thing that links these is the all sufficient, perpetually efficient sacrifice of Christ to purchase each of these for whosoever will believe in Him.

According to Paul the Cretans were denying Christ by the way they were living.

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Paul also exhorts us to examine ourselves to see whether we are actually in the faith.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

As long as we continue in faith and are not moved away from the hope of the Gospel we can have assurrance of salvation, but lapsing into unsanctified things can bring doubts and eventually the condemnation of the devil, against which we must use our spiritual armour (as per Ephesians 6:12.)

Col 1:21-23 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled (22) in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— (23) if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
 

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Does anyone ever wonder if they are really still saved..like sometimes i go for weeks or months without reading the Bible or praying etc and I wonder if I messed it all up..some people believe you cant lose it ever but I dont know anymore..

Like..I still believe...and i try to be nice and helpful to everyone like at work at stuff..but sometimes I dont have the most Christian lifestyle if that makes any sense...like for example I enjoy some music and movies that most Christians would hate.......and if i died right now would I go to Heaven or Hell... I dunno......I try to treat people like Jesus would treat them....thats good, right?

like today I let a bad word slip and I joked to my friend "oh well I guess I'm going to Hell now"

and yeah I know Jesus forgives all sins...but does that include dumb stuff that I do on purpose?

Does anyone know what the heck I'm talking about...or have I drank too much Mountain Dew and making myself go crazy? LOL

So you're letting your actions decide whether you go to heaven or hell instead of faith in Jesus?

Here's the thing, that I'm noticing...you see that you're a sinner and in need of a Savior. And you also know God provided one for you. But you're still afraid that your sins are too mighty for that Savior to forgive them all because sometimes you mess up and do the same sins over and over. But God is bigger than those sins and even those are forgiven! Believe in Him. Rejoice at how HE went to the cross so you don't have to. Instead of asking did I do enough or stop doing what I should have, ask how much God forgives you and reflect on that.
 

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As long as we are looking at the Cross, there is no doubt.
As long as we are looking in the mirror, there must be doubt (or worse).


{Note: When "salvation" is used, I'm speaking of "born again" of "regeneration" of the COMING of spiritual life, faith and the Holy Spirit (Justification in the narrow sense), of "initial grace." Yes, Christians are to grow and mature and become Christ like but th is what Christians do, not how the dead initially receive faith, life, the Holy Spirit]



Jesus Himself asked the most important question in the universe, in eternity.... "Who do you say I am?"


The central message, the foundation, the keystone, the distinctive mark of the Christian faith is the belief that we are by nature DEAD and we can't do anything about that - "we've fallen and we can't get up", we are sinners. We need to be SAVED, RESCUED.... and that must come from God for ONLY He can do this.... and this has happened, Jesus is the Savior, Jesus does this via His incarnation, life, death and especially resurrection.


The Devil and our dead, sinful, unregenerate self ("the old Adam") will work hard, work overtime, to undermine and deny that. Even in the "old Adam" of the Christian. Trying to make self as BIG as possible ("I ain't that bad, just you are" ) and Christ as LITTLE as possible ("technically, Jesus SAVES no one, He just makes it possible for all to be saved" "Jesus is not the Savior but the divine Helper, Possibility-Maker, Door Opener, Orderer"). Synergism is a fruit of this. Satan is not so stupid to out right deny Jesus but just belittle Him, make Him as impotent and irrelevant as possible.... while making self as well, as good, as capable, as important in the salvation of himself as possible. Make Jesus small.... make self big.


Christianity proclaims that JESUS (not self) IS (really, actually, factually) THE (one and only, all-sufficient) SAVIOR (not just an offerer or a helper or door opening or possibility-maker). There is no other name under heaven by which salvation can come (including your own). There is ONE Savior, and it ain't you, it's Jesus. For salvation, Christianity directs us to the Cross, not the Mirror.


You'll find LOTS of Christians who will say "Jesus is my Savior" and then go on and on and on and on contradicting that, denouncing that, INSISTING that actually self is the reason self is going to Heaven because SELF did X,Y,Z - ultimately, self doing X,Y,Z is why they will be in heaven (a repudiation of the Gospel, of Christianity, of the central teaching that Jesus is the Savior). They will proclaim (often not realizing it) that they are saying Jesus technically saves no one, He just orders people to be saved and maybe HELPS them in that regard or OPENS THE DOOR to heaven making salvation something we can achieve - anything, anything BUT the Savior. Why? Satan wants all to look away from Christ, to denounce the Gospel (and he likely needs to get us to do this in ways we don't recognize). Satan feeds our ego ("You ain't so bad..... you can do this") and ultimately to credit self and self doing X,Y.Z. and our "old Adam" likes for our ego to be fed and encouraged; we tend to swallow this. It means we abandon Christianity and go to other religions, all of which teach that while people are seriously messed up, it's not something they can't fix with sufficient divine help and time (no need for a SAVIOR but only a HELPER, TEACHER, INSPIRATION, POSSIBILITY-MAKER). In reality, THAT is the soteriology expressed by a lot of Christians (perhaps unexamined). And it's the anti-thesis of Christianity, it's the teaching of Islam and Hinduism and Buddhism.



WHO is THE Savior?


IF you answer "Jesus"
then Jesus is the Savior. Not you - not a bit, not at all, not now, not ever, not in any way or shape or form or manner. Salvation is entirely, wholly wrapped up in Jesus. It's entirely HIS work. HIS heart. HIS love. HIS mercy. HIS gift. HIS blessing. His life, His death, His resurrection. His Cross, His blood, His sacrifice. His righteousness, His obedience, His holiness. Not you. Not yours. You may have some other role in some other matter, but not this. The "job" of Savior belongs to Jesus. Not you.

IF you answer "me" then you are the Savior. Not Jesus. Not a bit, not at all. Not now, not ever. Not in any way, shape or form or manner. Salvation is all wrapped up in YOU. YOUR works. YOUR will. YOUR love. YOUR efforts. YOUR merits. YOUR obedience. YOUR righteousness. YOUR holiness. YOUR sacrifice. Not Jesus. Not Jesus'. Jesus may have some other role in some other matter, just not this one. The Savior is you.


Which is it? The Devil, the fallen world, our own sinful self will TRY as HARD AS WE CAN to say "self" while trying to sound Christian and fit Jesus in there somewhere, just not as THE SAVIOR. The Devil, the fallen world, our sinful self will try to pat self on the back for doing X,Y,Z - why we are headed for heaven, to make Jesus as small as we can, self as big as we can, to get our eyes off the Cross and on the mirror.

The devil, the fallen world, our sinful self will try to get us to look in the mirror, at ME. And the result is terror (or pharisical pride).
The Holy Spirit will try to get us to look to the Cross. And the result is confidence, peace, joy (and grateful humility).



- Josiah



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Thank you for the replies.

What about someone that becomes christian..then five minutes later denounces christianity and becomes atheist or whatever ..then five minutes later comes to christ again? Were they doomed to Hell in those five minutes?

I doubt someone would do this but is it theoretically possible?
I guess there are things about being saved that are a little hard to wrap my head around.
 

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Thank you for the replies.

What about someone that becomes christian..then five minutes later denounces christianity and becomes atheist or whatever ..then five minutes later comes to christ again? Were they doomed to Hell in those five minutes?

I doubt someone would do this but is it theoretically possible?
I guess there are things about being saved that are a little hard to wrap my head around.

Are we talking a literal 5 minutes or maybe 5 weeks or months or years? I know a guy who flips back and forth between Christianity and being an Atheist and all I can say is that God has planted a seed in that man. What happens when he dies, I do not know because I don't know his heart but pray that God has worked faith in him for salvation.
 
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