Adult obesity is common, serious and costly

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The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death.

The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the United States was $147 billion in 2008 US dollars; the medical cost for people who have obesity was $1,429 higher than those of normal weight.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

Why do you think with all the fad diets and exercise gyms and equipment out there that Americans are so overweight? I was a little surprised it was as high as 39.8% of us are obese.
 

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For me personally, diets and exercise didn't count for much as long as there was 'contentment' at some level with where I was. I knew inwardly that I wasn't healthy, I needed to change, that it would do me good - but knowing this (contemplating the fact) didn't turn to actually making a plan for change and following through for some time. Making a conscientious effort takes that time, perseverance, and effort to act according to a plan and make adjustments when things don't go as expected.

I've heard it said, too, that for some in lower income areas that there isn't the availability of fresh fruits, veggies, and healthier options that are affordable. I would suggest, though, that this may need to be rethought. Where I used to live was a lower income area, and there was a Dairy Queen within steps of my apartment - quite handy on a hot summer day! However, there was also a corner store a five minute walk from my place with fresh and frozen fruits, veggies, beans, you name it.

For me, it was finally time when I watched another person's progress, and decided to start myself. From the "diet" (I don't really call it that, though) I've lost over 10 since I started, but have lost almost 20 overall. So it helps to track what I've been eating over a day or week, but also helps when I look back at what I was eating a year ago versus now. It's nowhere near the same, and I feel all the better for it.
 

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The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death.

The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the United States was $147 billion in 2008 US dollars; the medical cost for people who have obesity was $1,429 higher than those of normal weight.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

Why do you think with all the fad diets and exercise gyms and equipment out there that Americans are so overweight? I was a little surprised it was as high as 39.8% of us are obese.



FORTY PERCENT of residents of the USA are "obese." Not just over-weight but obese. It is the #1 preventable health problem, having surpassed smoking years ago. And much of this over-eating is junk food largely void of nutrition - just sugar, salt, fat and calories. Yes, it is statistically the #1 cause of premature death and related to a number of diseases. Not only because of the bad food but the lack of exercise (they TEND to go together).


Why? Because it tastes good. And it tends to be convenient. And eating right often requires more time, effort and (ironically) money. Also, for some, eating such is a coping mechanism (it comforts them or at least detracts them; for some hitting the refrig is like hitting the bottle).


TRUE! Not all cases of obesity are the result of being a couch potato stuffing mountains of junk food into one's mouth. There are biological issues; sometimes it's related to medications; sometimes culture plays into this. It is wrong to ASSUME that an obese person is such because of poor choices. BUT in lots of cases, it is. And be careful, there may not be a direct cause-effect relationship. My father got diabetes when he was 40 years old in spite of being a health nut, perfect weight, VERY health diet, went to the fitness center 3 days a week, a lot of muscle and very little fat. BUT my Dad is probably the exception...


TRUE! This is one of the "sins" the Bible speaks of....but it's the one sin Christians give a pass on. Just go to any Golden Corral all-you-can-eat buffet after church any Sunday; the place is STUFFED with Christians from church STUFFING themselves with junky food and desserts. Or ever watch at a church potluck; someone goes back for yet another dessert - and folks just say "there are no calories in church" or "oh how he loves Zelda's desserts!" A pastor cannot cheat on his wife or use a bad word or ever be drunk but it's perfectly okay for him to be 100 pounds overweight. Why? Perhaps because 40% of Christians are obese.




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FORTY PERCENT of residents of the USA are "obese." Not just over-weight but obese. It is the #1 preventable health problem, having surpassed smoking years ago. And much of this over-eating is junk food largely void of nutrition - just sugar, salt, fat and calories. Yes, it is statistically the #1 cause of premature death and related to a number of diseases. Not only because of the bad food but the lack of exercise (they TEND to go together).


Why? Because it tastes good. And it tends to be convenient. And eating right often requires more time, effort and (ironically) money. Also, for some, eating such is a coping mechanism (it comforts them or at least detracts them; for some hitting the refrig is like hitting the bottle).


TRUE! Not all cases of obesity are the result of being a couch potato stuffing mountains of junk food into one's mouth. There are biological issues; sometimes it's related to medications; sometimes culture plays into this. It is wrong to ASSUME that an obese person is such because of poor choices. BUT in lots of cases, it is. And be careful, there may not be a direct cause-effect relationship. My father got diabetes when he was 40 years old in spite of being a health nut, perfect weight, VERY health diet, went to the fitness center 3 days a week, a lot of muscle and very little fat. BUT my Dad is probably the exception...


TRUE! This is one of the "sins" the Bible speaks of....but it's the one sin Christians give a pass on. Just go to any Golden Corral all-you-can-eat buffet after church any Sunday; the place is STUFFED with Christians from church STUFFING themselves with junky food and desserts. Or ever watch at a church potluck; someone goes back for yet another dessert - and folks just say "there are no calories in church" or "oh how he loves Zelda's desserts!" A pastor cannot cheat on his wife or use a bad word or ever be drunk but it's perfectly okay for him to be 100 pounds overweight. Why? Perhaps because 40% of Christians are obese.




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Diabetes is not just caused by being overweight. I believe there are also other factors because when I was diagnosed I was not over weight and my son was 5 when he was diagnosed and he was not either. But we have type 1 diabetes
 

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For me personally, diets and exercise didn't count for much as long as there was 'contentment' at some level with where I was. I knew inwardly that I wasn't healthy, I needed to change, that it would do me good - but knowing this (contemplating the fact) didn't turn to actually making a plan for change and following through for some time. Making a conscientious effort takes that time, perseverance, and effort to act according to a plan and make adjustments when things don't go as expected.

I've heard it said, too, that for some in lower income areas that there isn't the availability of fresh fruits, veggies, and healthier options that are affordable. I would suggest, though, that this may need to be rethought. Where I used to live was a lower income area, and there was a Dairy Queen within steps of my apartment - quite handy on a hot summer day! However, there was also a corner store a five minute walk from my place with fresh and frozen fruits, veggies, beans, you name it.

For me, it was finally time when I watched another person's progress, and decided to start myself. From the "diet" (I don't really call it that, though) I've lost over 10 since I started, but have lost almost 20 overall. So it helps to track what I've been eating over a day or week, but also helps when I look back at what I was eating a year ago versus now. It's nowhere near the same, and I feel all the better for it.

I know in the county I live in there is all kinds of resources for food. I believe I heard it said that there was over 20 pantries and food resources just in our county alone. When a homeless man came up to me asking for money at the library because he was hungry, I told him if he hurried he could still get to the shelters free lunch a few blocks away. He looked shocked that I knew that, but I have had clients who were homeless and that is where they ate and I actually ate there with them twice and the food is pretty good
 

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The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death.

The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the United States was $147 billion in 2008 US dollars; the medical cost for people who have obesity was $1,429 higher than those of normal weight.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

Why do you think with all the fad diets and exercise gyms and equipment out there that Americans are so overweight? I was a little surprised it was as high as 39.8% of us are obese.


Obesity certainly is a problem although to be honest I think part of the problem is just what is considered "obese".

I'm about 6'4 and at my heaviest I weighed a little over 280. That gave me a BMI of slightly under 35. I don't dispute that I was fat. Saying I was obese might be medically accepted due to having a BMI over 30 but frankly damaged the credibility (in my eyes at least) of the person saying it. Calling me borderline morbidly obese (technically true, since my BMI was close to 35) would mean the speaker might as well stop talking because I'd probably have stopped listening. Although my weight was higher than ideal - I'm currently taking aim at a weight closer to 220-230 with a view to then deciding whether to aim at 200-210 - BMI is such a crude tool I'm amazed people still take it seriously. According to BMI figures I think my ideal weight is somewhere under 200 which I suspect would leave me looking like a stick.

Just one issue with BMI is that it doesn't consider body composition at all. Jonny Wilkinson, one-time rugby player for the England national team, was reported to have had a BMI of 29.8 which means he is technically borderline obese. Of course not all of us have muscles like an international rugby player but an example like this shows that BMI is only useful as a guide rather than as an absolute determinant. For someone like me, I'm carrying more fat than is ideal around my middle but because I like to walk in the mountains my leg muscles are particularly bulky simply because it takes power to carry my weight up a big hill.

As for why Americans are so overweight, I think it's a simple matter of too much food going in and not enough calories being burned paired with a notion that all fat people need is some pills so they can carry on shoveling junk into their mouths and not moving around at all. The widespread availability of mobility scooters simply means that the people who most need to move around don't even need to do that - they can let the machine move them while they continue to eat their own body weight in ice cream and candy.

Of course there are people out there who are overweight as a result of impaired mobility. I loosely know a guy in his 20s who has steadily gained a lot of weight over the last couple of years. He is a quadriplegic due to a horrendous accident he wasn't expected to survive, so naturally it's hard for him to take very much exercise. But then I see people at fairs wobbling around on mobility scooters eating the superjumbo sized ice creams and deep fried Oreos and caramel popcorn and whatever else is loaded with enough calories to see an average person through the week. I can't tell whether the weight gain caused the mobility issues or the reverse, but can tell that eating supersized portions of ice cream while not burning any calories at all is unlikely to help the situation.

At the park I go to hike it's disappointing to see many trails, including trails very close to the park that aren't even very long, getting overgrown with grasses and ferns. As the park manager said, that's the kind of vegetation that would be restrained if there were just more people walking the trails because they would trample it so it couldn't take over. I hiked one such trail as part of my loop today - it's half a mile and loops from the parking lot back to the parking lot. It's overgrown through lack of use. The park gets used, but it seems people don't want to walk half a mile through the woods. The longer trails are maintained by clubs and curiously are used more - it seems the long trails are used by serious hikers who may incidentally use one or more of the local trails as links to get from one to another, while the local trails get ignored. The fact resources are available to exercise doesn't mean the people who need exercise will make use of them. One of the sad ironies is that once people get to a certain weight it becomes ever-harder to start shifting it because it's so easy to assume that gyms are there for people with better bodies, and feel very self-conscious wobbling on a treadmill at 2mph panting and puffing while the person next to you has run 10 miles and hasn't even broken a sweat yet.

Another thing that really doesn't help is the prevalence of things that show calorie burn rates that are hugely unrealistic. When I was more into cycling than now I used to figure that moving my then 240-odd pound frame on a bike at around 15mph average burned in the region of 40 calories per mile, assuming I was pedaling the entire time. On a longer ride I usually worked on the basis of 30 calories per mile, since I'd freewheel for more of the time and didn't push as hard to conserve my energy. Now I have a power meter on a stationary bicycle that tells me exactly how much power I'm putting down and it seems those figures are reasonably accurate, if maybe marginally on the high side. A friend posted a "workout log" from some phone app or another that showed something like 8 miles covered in 50 minutes and a total calorie burn of something like 985 calories. For that workout at that speed my friend would have actually burned more like 160-200 calories. Had she believed she had burned nearly 1000 calories and taken on 400 to replace some of them she would have thought she was down 600 calories when really she was up 200. Had she mentally cut the calorie burn in half figuring it might be high and taken on 250 calories she'd have taken on every single one she burned and then some, while still thinking she was ahead of the game. In a situation like that it would appear she was doing everything right so it would be entirely understandable that she'd wonder why cycling wasn't resulting in weight loss.

And then that feeds back into the issue of the definition of obesity. When I started cycling I lost four inches from my waistline before the scale showed I had shed any discernible weight at all. What had happened was that I'd lost fat and gained muscle, so my body was getting smaller and its composition was changing, despite the fact my BMI hadn't moved at all because it has no way of measuring such things. So based on BMI alone I appeared to have achieved nothing despite being visibly slimmer and much fitter and, as a result, being healthier.
 

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BMI is an unrealistic measurement for many of us. Weight is also a problem. A person can "lose" 40 lbs and go down 7 sizes. Another person can lose 65 and go down two sizes. A person can yo-yo for years, and with every weight loss, they "gain" - as in start in size 14 at 125 lbs, gain and then lose to size 14 at 150 lbs, then gain and lose to size 16 at 200 lbs, then gain and lose to size 18 at 245 lbs. A lot of this will be loose skin, so size, weight and bmi do not really reflect the health of the person. And for this person with all this loose skin to get to a "healthy" bmi weight of 130-140 has become completely unattainable.

I believe that we as a society have a problem. It is not obesity; it is in food production. I believe everything from farm practices to processing chemicals, plays around with our metabolism. We also used to work for our food - we used to grow it, and spend time in the kitchen preparing it. Back when we didn't just have a corner store with sugar and flour, people had to make their own... and all that took work! Today, we don't work for our food; we pick it up at the grocery. We also have sedentary type jobs that contribute to the problem.

I think a lot of the problem has to do with greed. Food producing companies use ingredients that keep us going back for more. We never had all those things back when I was a child... a candy bar that used to cost less than a dime, was a treat that we could have maybe every month or two, and we'd have sweets in our Christmas stockings and cake for our birthday. Now people eat them every day, in addition to the slurpees and sweet/fat coffees at Starbucks, in addition to the pop they drink all day and the processed chemicals that taste like food.... no wonder we are so many of us obese!
 

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BMI is an unrealistic measurement for many of us. Weight is also a problem. A person can "lose" 40 lbs and go down 7 sizes. Another person can lose 65 and go down two sizes. A person can yo-yo for years, and with every weight loss, they "gain" - as in start in size 14 at 125 lbs, gain and then lose to size 14 at 150 lbs, then gain and lose to size 16 at 200 lbs, then gain and lose to size 18 at 245 lbs. A lot of this will be loose skin, so size, weight and bmi do not really reflect the health of the person. And for this person with all this loose skin to get to a "healthy" bmi weight of 130-140 has become completely unattainable.

I believe that we as a society have a problem. It is not obesity; it is in food production. I believe everything from farm practices to processing chemicals, plays around with our metabolism. We also used to work for our food - we used to grow it, and spend time in the kitchen preparing it. Back when we didn't just have a corner store with sugar and flour, people had to make their own... and all that took work! Today, we don't work for our food; we pick it up at the grocery. We also have sedentary type jobs that contribute to the problem.

I think a lot of the problem has to do with greed. Food producing companies use ingredients that keep us going back for more. We never had all those things back when I was a child... a candy bar that used to cost less than a dime, was a treat that we could have maybe every month or two, and we'd have sweets in our Christmas stockings and cake for our birthday. Now people eat them every day, in addition to the slurpees and sweet/fat coffees at Starbucks, in addition to the pop they drink all day and the processed chemicals that taste like food.... no wonder we are so many of us obese!

Very true on the food production. Even aside from that an economy that typically requires both parents to work leaves less and less time for taking time out to cook a healthy meal. If parents are working full-time, maybe working two jobs to make ends meet, but still have to feed the kids, chances are the kids are getting something that can be microwaved. To make matters worse, parents who are exhausted after a long day at work are less likely to take the time to adequately discipline their kids so they grow up eating what's on their plate - it's so much easier to take the kids to McDonalds if that will get them to stop whining and crying.

The issue of corporate greed is a fair point but at the same time it's not as if anybody is forced to drink the supersized frappamochachino with extra whipped cream and loaded with a dozen pumps of sugary goop. Maybe that monster sized dessert does contain the number of calories an average person should expect to consume in two days but it's not as if you have to eat it and, if you do eat it, you don't have to eat it every day.

Sadly it seems that just as kids aren't being taught basic budgeting skills with money, neither is anyone being taught basic budgeting skills with calorie intake. Aside from medical conditions that are probably very rare, for most of us it really is a simple matter of calories in compared to calories out. It's just that people might be forgiven for not realising that a single slice of bread can contain 130 calories so if you have two sandwiches for lunch the bread alone takes up 25% of your 2,000 calorie daily intake.
 

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BMI is an unrealistic measurement for many of us. Weight is also a problem. A person can "lose" 40 lbs and go down 7 sizes. Another person can lose 65 and go down two sizes. A person can yo-yo for years, and with every weight loss, they "gain" - as in start in size 14 at 125 lbs, gain and then lose to size 14 at 150 lbs, then gain and lose to size 16 at 200 lbs, then gain and lose to size 18 at 245 lbs. A lot of this will be loose skin, so size, weight and bmi do not really reflect the health of the person. And for this person with all this loose skin to get to a "healthy" bmi weight of 130-140 has become completely unattainable.

I believe that we as a society have a problem. It is not obesity; it is in food production. I believe everything from farm practices to processing chemicals, plays around with our metabolism. We also used to work for our food - we used to grow it, and spend time in the kitchen preparing it. Back when we didn't just have a corner store with sugar and flour, people had to make their own... and all that took work! Today, we don't work for our food; we pick it up at the grocery. We also have sedentary type jobs that contribute to the problem.

I think a lot of the problem has to do with greed. Food producing companies use ingredients that keep us going back for more. We never had all those things back when I was a child... a candy bar that used to cost less than a dime, was a treat that we could have maybe every month or two, and we'd have sweets in our Christmas stockings and cake for our birthday. Now people eat them every day, in addition to the slurpees and sweet/fat coffees at Starbucks, in addition to the pop they drink all day and the processed chemicals that taste like food.... no wonder we are so many of us obese!

Eating out makes it hard for me to figure out how many carbohydrates I am eating because you really don't know how the food was prepared. Most restuarants seem to add extra fat somewhere so that it wil taste better, but that messes with my blood sugars also.
 

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FORTY PERCENT of residents of the USA are "obese." Not just over-weight but obese. It is the #1 preventable health problem, having surpassed smoking years ago. And much of this over-eating is junk food largely void of nutrition - just sugar, salt, fat and calories. Yes, it is statistically the #1 cause of premature death and related to a number of diseases. Not only because of the bad food but the lack of exercise (they TEND to go together).


Why? Because it tastes good. And it tends to be convenient. And eating right often requires more time, effort and (ironically) money. Also, for some, eating such is a coping mechanism (it comforts them or at least detracts them; for some hitting the refrig is like hitting the bottle).


TRUE! Not all cases of obesity are the result of being a couch potato stuffing mountains of junk food into one's mouth. There are biological issues; sometimes it's related to medications; sometimes culture plays into this. It is wrong to ASSUME that an obese person is such because of poor choices. BUT in lots of cases, it is. And be careful, there may not be a direct cause-effect relationship. My father got diabetes when he was 40 years old in spite of being a health nut, perfect weight, VERY health diet, went to the fitness center 3 days a week, a lot of muscle and very little fat. BUT my Dad is probably the exception...


TRUE! This is one of the "sins" the Bible speaks of....but it's the one sin Christians give a pass on. Just go to any Golden Corral all-you-can-eat buffet after church any Sunday; the place is STUFFED with Christians from church STUFFING themselves with junky food and desserts. Or ever watch at a church potluck; someone goes back for yet another dessert - and folks just say "there are no calories in church" or "oh how he loves Zelda's desserts!" A pastor cannot cheat on his wife or use a bad word or ever be drunk but it's perfectly okay for him to be 100 pounds overweight. Why? Perhaps because 40% of Christians are obese.


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Diabetes is not just caused by being overweight. I believe there are also other factors because when I was diagnosed I was not over weight and my son was 5 when he was diagnosed and he was not either. But we have type 1 diabetes


... as I specifically stated. For type 2, obesity is one contributing factor but BY NO MEANS a determining one (I gave my father as an example). For Type 1, it is not a contributing factor at all.
 
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