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I believe it’s not commonly understood that an “apostate” is one who only professes to be in the faith but in truth has yet to be saved, i.e. reborn. Of all who profess to “confess Jesus is Lord” (Ro 10:9), there will always be some (“a little leaven”) who only “honor Me with their lips (confess); but their heart is far from Me (Mat 15:8). They “profess they know God; but in works they deny Him” (Tit 1:16). These are those James wrote of that “may say you have faith,” but “have no works” (Jas 2:17, 18).

No “works,” or in other words no “fruit of the Spirit!” Works, which is the Sprit’s fruit, cannot exist within man apart from faith, for faith always manifests works, thus all faith-professors will inevitably see for themselves whether or not they are in the faith by their lifestyle (Mat 12:33); and by the Spirit (Rom 8:16).

Apostates, for long periods of time can maintain the “tare” position, even “until the harvest” (Mat 13:30); and it is this hypocrisy that outwardly appears to be in the Body of Christ (Mat 24:24), but eventually is seen by all. These are the ones Scripture writes of, that fall or depart only from the doctrine of Grace, never having received the truth of Grace (2Ti 3:7; 4:3, 4); who have only received its knowledge but not its truth imparted (Heb 10:26), which is “the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls” (Jas 1:21).

I think one of the most encouraging confirmations of being in Christ that can be enjoyed is being ever aware that “God works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure” (Phl 2:13). This is inwardly manifested by noticing the prevalence of the ongoing desire or “will” to put God first, which aids us in repeatedly “putting off the old man” as it shows itself in its erroneous tempting’s, of which we need not to be “anxious” (Phl 4:6), but rather “cast” whatever it concerns us with “on Him” (1Pe 5:7), entrusting all to Him!
 

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I believe it’s not commonly understood that an “apostate” is one who only professes to be in the faith but in truth has yet to be saved, i.e. reborn.


An apostate is normally seen to be a person who, although a Christian, then renounces the faith altogether.

It isn't a word that describes a person who is only a nominal Christian or who is sincere but disagrees with some non-essential doctrines, particularly if they are held by some denominations but rejected by others.
 

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An apostate is normally seen to be a person who, although a Christian, then renounces the faith altogether.

It isn't a word that describes a person who is only a nominal Christian or who is sincere but disagrees with some non-essential doctrines, particularly if they are held by some denominations but rejected by others.
Hi, and thanks for the reply! It's my understanding that hypocrites can only appear to be in the faith and are eventually "found out" (Num 32:23).

I believe Heb 10:26 is a good example of apostacy, because I believe it identifies Gnosticism, which is the believe that just knowing what salvation is and how it is received saves you: "if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the Truth", etc. . Continuing in our intentional sinning manifests we have only "received" or learned "the knowledge of the Truth," but have not received the Truth.

One's hypocrisy (apostacy) is evidence of not being reborn (saved), or there would be consistency in the faith due to God's "work in you" (Phl 2:13). One can depart or fall away from appearing to believe in the doctrines of Christianity, but never from following its teachings.

If I may: "that in the latter times some should depart from the faith"; that is, from the doctrine of faith, notwithstanding it is indisputably the great mystery of godliness, as it is called in the latter part of the preceding chapter; for from the true grace of faith there can be no final and total apostasy, such as is here designed; for that can never be lost. It is of an incorruptible nature, and therefore more precious than gold that perishes; Christ is the author and finisher of it; his prevalent mediation is concerned for it (Luk 22:32); it is a gift of special grace, and is without repentance (Rom 11:29); it springs from electing grace, and is secured by it; and between that and salvation there is an inseparable connection; it may indeed decline, be very low, and lie dormant, as to its acts and exercise, but not be lost: there is a temporary faith, and a persuasion of truth, or a mere assent to it, which may be departed from, but not that faith which works by love: here it intends a profession of faith, which being made, should be dropped by some; or rather the doctrine of faith, which some would embrace, and then err concerning, or entirely quit, and wholly apostatize from." - J Gill
 
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There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal/pseudo" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
 

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There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal/pseudo" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
Hi Brother, always nice to see you and thanks for the chime-in! Like the "make-believers" phrase.
 

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An apostate is normally seen to be a person who, although a Christian, then renounces the faith altogether.

It isn't a word that describes a person who is only a nominal Christian or who is sincere but disagrees with some non-essential doctrines, particularly if they are held by some denominations but rejected by others.

I agree with this! ^

Telling a Christian he isn't a true Christian unless he does something to prove it to you isn't the basis of Christianity. God is the one who gives us the gift of faith and the Holy Spirit sees to it that we accomplish the works He has planned for us.
 

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Hi, and thanks for the reply! It's my understanding that hypocrites can only appear to be in the faith and are eventually "found out" (Num 32:23).

Not denying that, but the situation described does not qualify as "apostasy." The word has a different meaning.
 

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I agree with this! ^

Telling a Christian he isn't a true Christian unless he does something to prove it to you isn't the basis of Christianity. God is the one who gives us the gift of faith and the Holy Spirit sees to it that we accomplish the works He has planned for us.
Thanks for the reply! I agree, it's not only something that a believer should not want to do but cannot do, because only God knows for certain another's heart. We can know for ourselves about ourselves via God's Spirit (Ro 8:16).

When Jesus declared that "the tree is known by his fruit," the sense is not that we can know others by their lifestyle, but that there is a certainty that good trees do not produce bad fruit, nor bad trees good fruit (Mat 12:33). For the believers, we can only presume while hoping the profession and confession is genuine with others.
 
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