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    For RC and EO - What did Jesus' death on the cross actually achieve for you?

    The answer is in the text but if you do not see it and do not think the "summary" answers then okay. I will leave you with what is there. Cheers.
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    An honest request

    It is better to know a stranger and learn what can be learned from him rather than to shun the stranger and risk shunning a messenger from God. It is good to be adult about differences. Your beliefs do not make me recoil in shock saying "that's wicked evil heresy and I will hear none of it! away...
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    SPIRITUAL MORSELS from the Ancient Fathers

    The upright live forever, their reward is with the Lord, and the Most High has them in his care. This is why they receive, from the hands of the Lord, a royal crown, a splendid diadem. He will shelter them with his hand and his arm will be their shield. God’s jealous love will display his...
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    For RC and EO - What did Jesus' death on the cross actually achieve for you?

    Your statement is a lie. It is completely untrue. No one earns salvation. The Catholic Church teaches that it is impossible to earn salvation. If some person claims that you need to earn salvation by faith & good works and they say they are Catholic then everybody ought to know that they got...
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    Can babies be conscious of their baptism?

    Can babies be conscious of their baptism? Obviously you're not going to be asking any living babies this question. And equally obviously you do not have access to any babies who are in heaven so you will not be asking any of them this question while you are in this world. So isn't this...
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    An honest request

    At least you tried. For me, a Catholic, Justification is the process of being made just by the grace of God and the obedience of faith to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Justification includes repentance and belief of the gospel. Repentance is a life long work and experience. Belief of the gospel...
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    For RC and EO - What did Jesus' death on the cross actually achieve for you?

    Okay, here is the "layman's simple English summary of the council of Trent's first 4 chapters dealing with Justification. When Eve & Adam fell into sin every last one of the natural descendants fell with them. The fall did not make each and every descendent guilty of the same sin of...
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    For RC and EO - What did Jesus' death on the cross actually achieve for you?

    Not without risking the loss of precision. Do you really not understand those few paragraphs?
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    For RC and EO - What did Jesus' death on the cross actually achieve for you?

    It is in "layman's terms" and in English (naturally the original was in Latin but the translation is reputedly good) so anybody willing to read it can, in theory, understand it.
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    For RC and EO - What did Jesus' death on the cross actually achieve for you?

    The council of Trent session six gave this information for those curious to know what the Catholic Church teaches about justification. It has relevance for your question. CHAPTER I THE IMPOTENCY OF NATURE AND OF THE LAW TO JUSTIFY MAN The holy council declares first, that for a correct and...
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    Salvation

    Salvation is not so easy to define. Some think of it as a kind of transaction where the sinner exercises faith in Jesus Christ and God forgives their sins and saves them. A done deal, all finished at the cross. Some think of salvation is a quest of sorts where the sinner repents and believes the...
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    Congratulations Psalms 91

    I didn't notice this thread until today. Congratulations to Psalms 91, I hope moderating is not burdensome for you. God bless.
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    SPIRITUAL MORSELS from the Ancient Fathers

    The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist. -- Pope St. Gregory the Great I pared it down slightly so it could fit in the title bar of an IRC channel.
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    Justification

    Facts help but they can never teach wisdom. The facts need discernment and compassion and several other things before they can truly inform and increase wisdom. Let us pray that such will be mixed with the facts in the minds and hearts of at least some who read here.
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    Justification

    Sometimes a person's beloved theology makes seeing what the holy scriptures say close to impossible.
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    Justification

    It ought to be obvious that the way a person lives speaks more clearly about his/her motives than the words they speak. The current and the previous Presidents of the USA (Donald Trump and Barack Obama) both profess to be Protestant Christians but does the way that they live support the claim?
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    Justification

    And this too was taught in 1547 AD by Catholics about Justification: CHAPTER XV BY EVERY MORTAL SIN GRACE IS LOST, BUT NOT FAITH Against the subtle wits of some also, who by pleasing speeches and good words seduce the hearts of the innocent,[91] it must be maintained that the grace of...
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    Justification

    And this too, in 1547 AD, was taught by Catholics about justification: CHAPTER XI THE OBSERVANCE OF THE COMMANDMENTS AND THE NECESSITY AND POSSIBILITY THEREOF But no one, however much justified, should consider himself exempt from the observance of the commandments; no one should use that rash...
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    Justification

    And in 1547 AD Catholics also taught this about Justification CHAPTER IX AGAINST THE VAIN CONFIDENCE OF HERETICS But though it is necessary to believe that sins neither are remitted nor ever have been remitted except gratuitously by divine mercy for Christ's sake, yet it must not be said that...
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    Justification

    Catholics in 1547 AD also taught this CHAPTER V THE NECESSITY OF PREPARATION FOR JUSTIFICATION IN ADULTS, AND WHENCE IT PROCEEDS It is furthermore declared that in adults the beginning of that justification must proceed from the predisposing grace of God through Jesus Christ, that is, from His...
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