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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    The evidence of your posts implies that you believe your theology first and then alter scripture to make it fit your theology. You say world cannot mean world in John 1:29 and insist that it must mean the elect. You say that 1 John 2:2 cannot mean "the whole world" as it says, you say it must...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You will not believe, because your theology blinds you. - a paraphrase of the words you are so keen to apply to Pharisees.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You must come clean, and speak the truth. The verse you have made so much of in your claims does not say what you claim it says. It is not a condemnation of the Pharisees, it is a comment made to the Jews and the same passage tells us that some of the Jews believed what Jesus had said. This is...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Your discourtesy tells more about you than it does about God.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You want it to be Pharisees rather than the Jews, the former suits your theology so you force the bible to fit your idea and refuse to let the scriptures say what they say. John 10:26 is addressed to the Jews. You deny it by your words, and your "signature". It tells a story about you, but says...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You are not sorry. Take a look at the location in chapter 9, take a look at the location in chapter 10. There is movement. And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Same crowd, not same people addressed. Take a closer look.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Different chapter, different listeners.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    605 At the end of the parable of the lost sheep Jesus recalled that God's love excludes no one: "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish."410 He affirms that he came "to give his life as a ransom for many"; this last term is not...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    You ought to stick with the text. Do not add to it (with Pharisees), nor subtract from it (by removing "the Jews"). Just let it say what it says. That is the Catholic way.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Your by-line is erroneous. The passage is addressed to "the Jews" not to Pharisees specifically. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep. John 10:11 The Jews therefore came round about him and said to him: How long dost thou hold our souls in suspense? If thou...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Cheeseburgers do not make a person American any more than eating pork makes a person German. But, I do not eat fast foods, no cheeseburgers on the plate. But you, you evidence your origins with every post; the extreme individualism so present in your comments is so foreign to Jewish thought in...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    I am from Australia, so I do not think like a 21st century American. You are from the USA, so you do not and cannot think as did a Jew of the first century because you are not a Jew - being a Christians as you say of yourself - and living in 21st century America. So how is one to read the...
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    Jesus died for the sins of the world

    Albion is right, if his remark is intended to say that many people do in point of fact pray for the whole world, each and every individual, though those who pray thus on earth do not know their names. Those in heaven, the angels and saints, pray for every person, and they may well know all of...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    It was saint John who said "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!", he was a bible character, he was no buffoon. But I think you intend to denigrate people alive today who say that the Lord died for the sin of the world, and not saint John. Which is worse, I wonder, to...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Even a Pharisee can come to believe in the Lord, some did so, as the scriptures testify. Saint Paul is one example that comes to mind. He said of himself But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a...
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    Religion and politics

    Strive to do good, pray for those in authority that they may do good, in everything seek to be pleasing to God, and be at peace with humanity as far as that is within your ability.
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Try harder to keep on topic. You're too easily diverted by your own ideas. The thread is about Limited Vs Unlimited atonement in Protestantism. I am a Catholic. Catholics do not do Limited or Unlimited atonement. Catholics acknowledge the mystery of the birth from above. Catholics are content...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    It is in fact explicit in scripture. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matthew 28:19 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the...
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    A Catholic perspective on Limited Atonement and Universal Atonement arguments.

    Catholic teaching is that Catholics receive baptism from God acting through the Church (body of Christ). One receives baptism passively. One does not baptise one's self. This is in keeping with Christ's word to Nicodemus - Except a man be born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter the Kingdom...
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