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  1. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Well, Nicodemus was 30 AD not 600 AD. It's evident that Nicodemus didn't know any idiom that made "water and the Spirit" comprehensible to him. That's why he was critiqued by Jesus as an ignorant "teacher of Israel".
  2. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Okay :)
  3. MoreCoffee

    the meaning of Baptism

    The truth is that most Christians do not hold the views that you hold on baptism.
  4. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    It proves one thing at least. The view I posted in the first post of this thread is not unique to Anglicans. Presbyterians share it. Catholics and Orthodox have a similar view. In fact the Christians holding to the kind of interpretation presented by Albert Barnes is the majority Christian view...
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    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Do you read Hebrew? The link is to a document in Hebrew.
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    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Old yes but not ancient. A Midrash book from 600 AD is not going to do it. Post Christ Judaism was very hostile to Christ and Christianity. Even today the very Orthodox among Jews are reputed to be hostile to Christ and Christianity.
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    Martin Luther: The Man Who Rediscovered God and Changed the World, by Eric Metaxas

    Even sharing a wine or two would help.
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    the meaning of Baptism

    Fundamentally, MennoSota, I am not following you in matters of faith nor in matter of biblical exposition. Albert Barnes (a Presbyterian commentator) and The Cambridge Bible Commentary (a mainly Anglican work) offer explanations of John 3:5, Titus 3:5, Ephesians 5:26, Romans 6:1-14, and Acts...
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    Born of water and the Spirit.

    If you can find a rabbi who gave a discussion of it in Jesus' times then you'll be doing something remarkable. If you can find rabbis from the centuries after Jesus taught Nicodemus then you'll be telling me how the rabbis re-interpreted Jesus' words to mean something that fits their religion...
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    Now, For Something Completely Different

    A good way to put it is, Love is the soil in which faith may be planted and faith when it grows matures to produce the fruit of the Spirit which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
  11. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Water is mentioned in verse 5. I am willing to wager that you are really asking "where is the water mentioned in verses 6, 7, and 8. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born from above.'...
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    Now, For Something Completely Different

    I'd be willing to wager that #2, #3, #6, and #8 may produce some debate because they are not exactly held in common by all who have been in CH and may not be held in common by all present in CH now. I'd add #11 reverence for and joy in receiving the Lord's supper #12 a high regard for...
  13. MoreCoffee

    the meaning of Baptism

    I've already said I am baptised. Evidently that is confusing you. I am baptised and since baptism is linked to salvation in John 3:5 and 1 Peter 3:21 as well as in Titus 3:5 and Romans 6:1-14 I am saved though salvation is not completed until the last judgement and the resurrection of the righteous.
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    Martin Luther: The Man Who Rediscovered God and Changed the World, by Eric Metaxas

    I haven't heard of any pan-protestant councils. Catholic ecumenical councils are common enough so that I need not mention any by name for people to know that they happen. I gather from your response that confessional Lutherans are not fond of pietism.
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    Born of water and the Spirit.

    It's okay with me if you do not want to discuss the passage with me any more. If you think I need to agree with you to make discussion worthwhile that is okay too. It's odd but okay. Another commentary from a Presbyterian also address the meaning of the verse quite well. It says. John 3:5...
  16. MoreCoffee

    Born of water and the Spirit.

    See post #12. It is a reply to Imalive but it addresses the same matter that you raise.
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    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Jesus was not talking about natural human birth. Nicodemus mentioned it but his reply made Jesus express surprise that a teacher of Israel could make such an asinine remark. John 3:1-15 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicode'mus, a ruler of the Jews. [2] This man came to Jesus by...
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    the meaning of Baptism

    You also appear to be fixated my "status" with respect to salvation. Try sticking to the topic. It is the meaning of baptism. It is not "is MoreCoffee 'saved'".
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    Born of water and the Spirit.

    Neither Nicodemus nor Jesus was talking about "the waters of natural human birth". That is an interpretation that looks bizarre. I do not know when it was first put forward but it looks kind of crazy to me. As far as I know the early Church Fathers never looked on it that way.
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    Martin Luther: The Man Who Rediscovered God and Changed the World, by Eric Metaxas

    I think the British & Foreign Bible Society was Anglican & Presbyterian in church affiliation and a bit fundamentalist in theology.
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