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  1. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    WISDOM CHAPTER 2 For, not thinking rightly, they said among themselves: “Brief and troubled is our lifetime; there is no remedy for our dying, nor is anyone known to have come back from Hades. For by mere chance were we born, and hereafter we shall be as though we had not been; Because the...
  2. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    Canon - for establishing doctrine Ecclesiastical - testimony of doctrine, lessons in the word of godliness I NEVER SAID THE ECCLESIASTICAL BOOKS WERE THE SAME AS CANON So when you point out over and over and over again that they said "are not consider canonical" I am NOT disagreeing with...
  3. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    I posted a lists of quotes from Church fathers who beg the differ, anyone who reads Wisdom chapter 2 and does not find it 100% prophetic are in denial, if a prophecy comes true then it's inspired. Also in Timothy we are told that ALL Scripture is useful for MANY reasons, for doctrine, for...
  4. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    I encourage everyone to read for themselves what Rufinus and Athanasius says in post 30 Athanasius is the 2nd and Rufinus the 3rd paragraph
  5. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    Also not my claim, at least not just. Try again
  6. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    I never said they were canonical. Try again
  7. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    Wrong. Try again
  8. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    My Catholic Bible actually has more books than the typical Catholic Bible, and your remark about Luther's tome, why put him to shame? In fact why are protestants no longer under Luthers blessing? Oh thats right, the Bible Society in the 19th century wanted to make it affordable to you so they...
  9. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    THESE ARE THREE SEPARATE TESTAMONIES FROM THREE SEPARATE CHURCH FATHERS THAT SAY THEY ARE THE WORD OF GODLINESS, AUTHORITATIVE, TRADITION, WORD OF GOD (just not Canonical but rather Ecclesiastical) There are other books besides these not indeed included in the Canon, but appointed by the...
  10. Andrew

    Was the Messiah prophesied to heal the blind according to the OT?

    True for Christians because we understand Scripture and the saving Gospel but for Israel if the peer pressure alone doesn't bind them, they will still have a hard time taking Jesus seriously when He blows His very announcement in the synagogue by quoting a line that isn't found in the Hebrew...
  11. Andrew

    Enoch and Elijah

    The Spirit of Elijah? a literal spirit in a person or metaphorical spirit in a person?
  12. Andrew

    Enoch and Elijah

    Probably, we are grounded here on Earth and see through a glass darkly.. I couldn't tell you where the sky ends and the heavens begin, all I know is that everything will become new, a brand new universe so to speak
  13. Andrew

    Enoch and Elijah

    Jesus said that John was Elijah, Malachi predicted Elijah's return before the coming of the Messiah. Not sure if it's incarnation but how else do we explain it?
  14. Andrew

    Was the Messiah prophesied to heal the blind according to the OT?

    Dates aside we have 2 sources for our OT LXX MASORETIC Jerome spent his life's work trying to fix the contradictions between the several LXX transcripts and the proto masoretic Hebrew that his unbelieving Rabbi passed on to him, he ended up filling in holes in the Masoretic with the LXX and...
  15. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    I never stated that they weren't equal in authority I said the opposite, they both serve an important role in the church by tradition according to several testimonies of esteemed church fathers. The Jewish Tanakh has classes, you have the Torah which is the basic canon/law, then comes the...
  16. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    Because Revelation says "it is finished", Hermas is a basic sunday school morality tale that was probably very useful for the early church, as I stated earlier, the Ecclesiastical books (aka 2nd canon) of the OT actually point toward Christ's ministry, after His revelation to John there is no...
  17. Andrew

    Enoch and Elijah

    ?
  18. Andrew

    Did the events of Maccabees take place after the end of the Old Covenant and before the beginning of the New Covenant?

    I believe the old covenant ended with John's baptism at the arrival of Christ
  19. Andrew

    Was the Messiah prophesied to heal the blind according to the OT?

    A missing line is a big deal, the LXX includes the line that the LORD reads and the Masoretic drops it, no excuses, the LXX is older and more accurate yet somehow Nathan and I are the problem for pointing this out. The Lord IS right and the LXX is right but the Masoretic is wrong for deleting...
  20. Andrew

    Introduction to the Ecclesiastical books

    Rufinus lists books from the so called "Apocrypha" and calls them "Ecclesiastical" as class 2 aside from class 1 "Canonical", he says from the header that these are the list of Holy Scripture, at the foot he says that Apocrypha books are not allowed in the churches according to tradition passed...
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