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  1. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    The information in the article can be verified in numerous sources. It is general information that can be found easily. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112279/jewish/Rabbi-Judah-the-Prince.htm https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Judah_haNasi...
  2. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    First, sorry but I had to ask. People often simply accept something they have read without tracking down the sources in order to verify them. Sometimes those citations do not support the claim or simply do not exist at all. That is why I ask for specific references in order to check. It was...
  3. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    So you have never tracked down the citation and read it for yourself???
  4. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    I see nine books containing 17 volumes total. That is literally hundreds, most likely thousands of pages. I cannot read the whole Talmud looking for one reference. Could you cut and paste the information (as cited in the Talmud) and the reference point in the Talmud for the following claim...
  5. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    Sorry that is not the Talmud. That is a book about the Talmud not a translation of the Talmud. Here is the title page. Volume I: History of the Talmud: Title Page Here is the table of contents. Babylonian Talmud, Book 10, Rodkinson tr.: History of the Talmud Index The Talmud is divided into...
  6. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    Sorry but I asked for primary sources. That is not a primary source. You said "the talmud documents confirm the translation of Aquila and the Rabbi who ordained the translation along with the reason why." That source is not the Talmud. A source can say anything it wants when no one can check...
  7. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    The word for "woman" and "wife" are the same noun. Hebrew - אִשָּׁה Greek - γυνή
  8. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    This passage is very interesting (and is the third example). The N.T. and LXX are close but there are two differences. εἶπεν ὁ κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ τοὺς ἐχθρούς σου ὑποπόδιον τῶν ποδῶν σου (Psalm 109:1 LXX) εἶπεν κύριος τῷ κυρίῳ μου κάθου ἐκ δεξιῶν μου ἕως ἂν θῶ...
  9. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    Yeah but that does not tell us where to find the specific citation @Andrew mentions. The Talmud is a HUGE document.
  10. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    No need to apologize. The Talmud is a huge work, many volumes. Please provide those primary sources references (and links if you would be so kind) so that I may check them. Yes I know there are differences. I never disagreed with that. Yet there are example from the N.T. which disagree with...
  11. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    Every one should be aware that site you posted is anti-Bible\anti-Christian? On the Home Page it states: "The statement above is typically what every Christian believe. However, a careful study of the Bible proves that it is full of errors, ranging from scientific, historical, arithmetical...
  12. Origen

    Origen Here!

    Hello to you and thank you.
  13. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    No problem and you are very welcome.
  14. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    I am using this critical edition. Septuaginta, edited by Alfred Rahlfs Editio altera by Robert Hanhart ©2006 Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, Stuttgart. The Septuagint | Old Testament | Original Texts | Homepage | Die-Bibel.de This is the complete verse. ὁ θεὸς ὁ θεός μου, πρόσχες μοι· ἵνα τί...
  15. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    Here is a third example. Matt. 27:46 θεέ μου θεέ μου, ἱνατί με ἐγκατέλιπες my God, my God, why have you forsaken me Psalm 21:2 LXX ὁ θεὸς ὁ θεός μου, πρόσχες μοι, ἵνα τί ἐγκατέλιπές με God, my God, attend to me, why have you forsaken me Psalm 22:1 MT אֵלִי אֵלִי לָמָה עֲזַבְתָּנִי my God, my...
  16. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    Thank you Sir.
  17. Origen

    Early Christian writings along with the NT...

    There was no "e.g. virgin birth" in my post. That is not what I said. You misunderstood me. I was referencing something else entirely. I wholly affirm the virgin birth. First, one must begin with the text itself, both the Hebrew and the Greek. Second, there are no LXX manuscripts that...
  18. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    And now back to the N.T., LXX, and MT. This is our second example. Matt 2:15 ἐξ Αἰγύπτου ἐκάλεσα τὸν υἱόν μου out of Egypt I called my son Hosea 11:1 (LXX) ἐξ Αἰγύπτου μετεκάλεσα τὰ τέκνα αὐτοῦ out of Egypt I called his children MT מִמִּצְרַיִם, קָרָאתִי לִבְנִי out of Egypt I called my son...
  19. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    I put all of these comments together because they all go pretty much to the same point. The belief that the LXX is divinely inspired is certainly not new. Certain individuals over time have made the same claim regarding other translations as well (i.e. the Vulgate, KJV, etc.) Personally I do...
  20. Origen

    O.T. quotes in the N.T.

    This kind of information comes from much later sources and traditions. Those are the claims of Rabbinic Judaism which were not codified until the sixth century in the Talumd. Exactly how much is accurate is difficult to know. However, we do know some things (and have evidence to prove it)...
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